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Thursday, December 15, 2005 09:34 PM

It was a real relationship with a real person what the hell

are you talking about. It may be that you don't want the relationship to happen, for reasons which "others" have clearly explained but it's absurd to say that we have to prohibit and punish relationships which aren't real. How would people react if 99% of the girls who had relationships that they regretted later were told "you don't know your own feelings we think it was good for you".

Thursday, December 15, 2005 08:41 PM

Archie, you don't get it.

If boys don't think the way girls do, or the adult women speaking for them, there is something wrong with them and they need to be fixed. C'mon man, it's the 21st century!

Thursday, December 15, 2005 06:30 PM

the only "harm" to the boys is that they will

get the idea that they don't have to work for it. This is the harm that women so selflessly want to prevent, boys may resent it or complain later when they have to. Of course no one would seriously consider suggesting the rules should be different for boys and girls, can't be sending any of those messages.

Thursday, December 15, 2005 05:28 PM

if brightstar were a woman complaining in the same style

he'd probably have a best selling book or five. Wait, oh of course, if a woman were doing it it would be the TRUTH. Why do I have such trouble grasping that? Clearly there is something terribly wrong with me.

Thursday, December 15, 2005 05:07 PM

of course people don't dump this crap in their personal lives

how stupid do you think we are? doesn't mean the issues don't have some kind of meaning though

Thursday, December 15, 2005 04:50 PM

the point is that men and women have

different ideas about what decent treatment is and about a lot of other things but only women's ideas on any subject, at least on any subject having to do with sex and relationships are considered legitimate. there is no willingness to negotiate of consider another point of view. if you don't see it exactly my way you are stupid, emotionally damaged or are trying to abuse me. this attitude is a real problem.

Thursday, December 15, 2005 04:35 PM

jaded why is it that men have to do what women want

or pay a price but not the other way around? I'm not saying there isn't an answer but women need to acknowledge the question.

Thursday, December 15, 2005 04:22 PM

Exactly Jan, once men realize that the world is entirely

designed for their convenciene and that the only reason they can't recognize this is that they are stupid losers everything will be perfect. How can something so clear be so difficult to grasp?

Thursday, December 15, 2005 02:17 PM

Obviously the ONLY problem with realations between the sexes

is that the absolutely inherent perfection of femaleness, at least the feminist approved variety, isn't properly appreciated and accepted by men. Once men truly know there place all will be well.

Thursday, December 15, 2005 01:39 PM

miriald you said:

biological/evolutionary explanations for behavior is that those kinds of explanations overwhelmingly reinforce the status quo of male privilege. Not only is that rather suspect (after all, up until very recently the majority of people doing evolutionary research were males)

if biological/evolutionary explanations( and that IS the field of sociobiology) for behavior are overwhelmingly used to reinforce the status quo how are they NOT a tool of the right?

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:06 PM

My response is no more extreme than your claim that

evolutionary/sociobiological explanations are overwhelmingly used to reinforce the status quo. They are sometimes used this way no doubt but your implication that the field in general is a tool of the right is, in my sincere opinion, as unfairly extreme as anything I have said.

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 08:44 PM

By the way my test scenario implied eveyone was alone

Of course this is not realistic but if prediction is true it would certainly have bearing on other more realistic situations.

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 08:41 PM

No except to the extent that many would be likely

to count all negative outcomes to women as evidence of a conspiracy of deliberate mistreatment of women rather than as a failure to do the extra work require to adequately take into account women's special needs. You may choose to consider this difference one of degree and not of kind but it is still a difference.

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 08:08 PM

If a gender preference exists in the animals that is significant

in and of itself and has potential application to people whether or not the object preferred has the same meaning to the animal as it does to a person. I don't think even a Bible Belt academic would claim that the male monkeys are playing with the car because they want to fantasize about being famous NASCAR drivers and getting laid a lot.

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 07:54 PM

There may be a problem with this study

but the good studies often get exactly the same reaction

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 07:12 PM

reliance on environment alone to explain behavior can be

used to level the playing field and it can also be used to deny that anyone can be different from you for any reason other than that there is something wrong with their environment

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 05:51 PM

Of course information from animals needs to be applied to people

with care but it makes no sense to say in principle without specific evidence that all applicability stops at a certain point. Body comparisons can be valid but never behavioral? or primitve behavior but not behavior infuced by higher mind fuctions? The purpose of denying all innate gender differences is to deny the fact that ALL people INCLUDING WOMEN have a point of view which is influenced by biology and therefore to deny that there are reasons why men may think and feel and act differently from women which are not based on differences in their environment past or present AND are not a result of stupidity or malevolence either individual or societal. Of course some problems may be precisely that, just not all for everyone.

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 04:10 PM

It's interesting that lions are a symbol of feudalism

because they really are a kind of pure feudal society in a way the couldn't really have been known in the past. The males fight among themselves to "own" temporarily and defend against other males a territory on which the same group of females lives generation after generation. Contrary to the image of male lions as incompetent female abusers they do survive hunting on ther own until they can take over a pride, while the females stay with the group their whole life.

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 03:30 PM

It posted only my subject not the body which was:

Why do you suppose antigay fundamentalists are so commited to the idea that gayness is entirely a matter of choice or culture and has no innate componet. Why would it matter to them? Can't gayness still be bad? Somehow they feel that it helps their position for this to be true, why would that be?

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 03:24 PM

yes i do

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