I have with all this "polling" and "calculating" and "predicting" - It is very "one-dimensional".

Americans are able to think and act at least in "three dimensions" (-joke! - now -serious!!)

Let's put for the sake of a good argument the "dependence on facts and reason" on first place - There still would be this difficult second place - where all these informations are processed in a very individual way - resulting in a final and very subjective list of priorities.

To use a simple example:

For somebody, whose priorities are -

1.The war -

2.The economy - it is very difficult to argue with someone else, whose priorities are just the other way around.

So -if I want to have a truly constructive discussion - I first would have to syncronize the priorities with my partner. But it really get's "tricky" - the unpredictable "THIRD DIMENSION" kicks in - a chaotic mix of all the facts with our unconscious or sometimes even conscious "feelings" - and a lot of times - boom - out comes a decision, where the feelings "trump" everything??

As another poster - I think a psycholgist - explained: It is virtually impossible to convince someone to believe something, they do not want to believe - and our ability to discount evidence and logic is formidable.

This is why it would be so tremendously important - to adress "the real issues" - Like:How to beat John McCain!! He is very dangerously "fishing" in the "THIRD DIMENSION" of Obama - proven by a lot of "anti-war" Republicans who voted for "Kain:. And this "virus" even spread to Salon, where suddenly, one of the worst "warmonger" this country ever has seen - was promoted!!

I know - I know: There might be some "clever" guys and gals out there, who would love to turn my argument against me.-

"Kain" is fishing for emotional decisions - Obama is - and Bush was too". But that doesn't work. There never ever will be any type of "rational" comparison between "Bushchange" and Obamas "change". And I think It is perfectly okay to "like" or even "love" a candidate if you are able to work your way back to the "first dimension" -

You check:

HEALTH INSURANCE FOR AMERICANS - check -

AGAINST THE WAR - check - etc etc.

-And as a last note to the so called "fact based community"-

In the last years professional politicians have failed so miserably, that each of us has a neighbor or a friend, who - with the help of an excellent group of experts would make an excellent President.

you think very poorly of your fellow Americans!

before I forget - I already met a lot of friends and foes on Salon and I guess I know you guys too - you were on this christmas dinner last year and you brought a big cristal ball

to the table and told us all - you could tell the future -

and we were waiting and waiting and then you mumbled something nobody understood and ate my daughters piece of cake!

-not you again - didn't I tell you already I'am not interested - You offered me a piece of gum and told me how you just had learned "the art of promotion" but then you should change your words more often or you going to kill what you promote.

before I got up and posted again - And I thought for a minute -

last night - that the type of writers I don't find words for

anymore were in retreat! They are like the Pest and if Salon doesn't get rid of them I'm leaving again!!

-is only possible with a completely different strategy

(see P13 "the problem")

If ezhik would "confess" the real reasons for the McCain decision it might be possible - but only in a very long and involved process!

we are posting together - right now the the daughter -

Hi dude! - sometimes my dad!

as you just read my daughter was posting - so please don't call her stupid - and I - I just tried to offer some help

to some sensible Salonistas!

says the daughter - let's all try to find the best argument why ezhik should vote for Oabama!

-by person!

there is tooo much "faith" in this discussion - and we are totally lost at these type of arguments!

You can not give points for "faith"!

don't call my daughter "stupid" - god doesn't like that!

I guess we could close with having prove by ezhik of - "the problem" page 13!

you made the point of "the problem" page 13!

now we got a second ezick would you guys spend that much time with us if we tell you the world is flat?

help a lot if we tell ezik always he is right - then he might go away after a little while.

about this "Obama has nothing to offer to us" - that I will offer from now on to play ezik - please - hit me with you best shot!

after reading the anonymus "we have nothing to offer" post again - I think it is parody - a pretty good one...

and if factcheck keeps smearing him like that he will have to

go hunting with Dick!

that was another parody this time from factcheck - sorry!

and he told us he likes Hillary mucn better than Barack!

we forgot ezik is right - Rupert likes Barack much better than

Hillary.

brushing my teeth - and it was really fun today - sometimes

its a little boring - but today with ezik or ezhik and Karl

and Rupert and all of you guys - don't forget to brush the teeth too before you go to bed - write you tomorrow!