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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:00 AM

If McCain wins, should we all move to Scandinavia?

Imagine a land where presidents don't sprinkle holy water on wars, citizens have good healthcare and governments care about the environment.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 06:47 PM

Oi this again?

We're leaving for Canada, we're leaving for Denmark.

Really? Well you'd better crank up the lawyers right now because those liberal paradises aren't very easy to gain citizenship from unless you're a refugee from some hell hole in the sands. And they are fantastically expensive and unreasonable for noncitzens to live and work there. It's pretty damned hard to simply go the Canada and assert your right to work and live there. It's incredibly expensive for noncitizens to live in Norway, pay all their taxes and accrue zero of their social welfare benefits.

Seriously if you plan on expatriating, try Portugal, Brazil, Uruguay. And consider that the moment you file to gain citizenship to another country or leave your US citizenship the IRS will attempt to sue you in tax court.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 06:48 PM

Do you think they'd want us?

If McCain wins, we're clearly too stupid to deserve to live in Norway, Sweden or Denmark.

Besides, if I'm going anywhere, its where the days are longer, not the nights.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 06:50 PM

Most Americans don't believe in God, whatever they assert.

You see their unbelief when they scurry to the hospital, rather than pass to Jesus's lap.

You see their unbelief when they vote for war following 9-11, rather than turn the other cheek.

You see their unbelief when they hoard, rather than give all to the poor and trust in God, as the Bible commands.

You see their unbelief as they vote for a torturing president and do so in Jesus's name, who was tortured.

The difference between Scandanavians and Americans is that Scandanavians are honest about their unbelief.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 06:52 PM

The Danes don't begrudge their high taxes.

I spent enough time in Denmark to want to move there, and not just because all the women were 6 feet tall and gorgeous (and the men were more than 6 feet tall and hunky). It was because they seemed a happy, healthy people who understood that one should work to live, and not live to work -- unlike this messed up basketcase of a country known as the United States.

I asked my Danish friends about their high taxes, and they all agreed that the taxes were high, but in return they received excellent universal health care and wonderful public transportation and excellent education and other free and top notch public services, so no, they didn't mind the high taxes because of what those taxes brought them.

Compare that to the insanely anti-tax United States, where what you don't pay in taxes you pay through the nose for in health care and college costs, crappy to nonexistent public transportation, bridges that collapse and kill you, etc., ad nauseum. In the long run, the Danes pay far less and receive far more than us stupid Americans.

Yeah, I'd move there in a heartbeat if I could. Leave this ignorant and backwards country to the Sarah Palins...except, they'd kill off all the animals and destroy the environment and gleefully ignore global warming and probably end up raining bombs on Denmark, so no: we have to right them.

And religion? We need to shrink it down to a size where we can drown it in a baptismal pool.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 07:00 PM

I've been beating this drum for a while now

When I discovered "quality of life" indices, I wondered why all the Nordic countries sat on the top, and what we could learn from them. That sparked my fascination with democratic socialist cultures. And that was even before I met my current girlfriend, a half-Swede who wants to move back there.

Two notes about the article, though:

1. The suicide rate may look higher that it really is because their reporting has historically been better than ours;

2. "Take away God, and our destiny doesn't look quite so manifest. The shining city on a hill becomes just another city, just another hill." Isn't that exactly how it should be? Sorry to break it to Americans, but we're just another city on just another hill. Once we think we're God's chosen people, it excuses acting, quite literally, holier-than-thou. And we've seen the negative effects very starkly in the past 8 years. Give me Nordic stoicism any day.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 07:01 PM

I don't even have to read this article to tell you the answer...

No.

I imagine that land all the time. I imagine the United States being that land.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 07:04 PM

it's worse than that.

from day1, america has been making war on it's neighbors, taking their land, killing the people, condemning the survivors to beggary. that's depressing, unless you're confident god wills it. americans can't get along without religion, it's the only anodyne for aggression, selfishness, and greed.

well-meaning americans might be accepted as immigrants, but would have to get in line, behind the palestinians who have been driven from their land by that other lot of workers of god's will, the zionists.

there's no doubt the scandinavians have made the best human society, which is easy, or even a good human society, but the morlocks of america can comfort themselves with the knowledge that the climate there is miserable, and, as goths or vikings, the scandinavians used to cause endless trouble by trying to holiday in southern france, or at least brighton.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 07:10 PM

Been There, Done That

I lived in Sweden for 2 years. Guess what - it kicked ass! To be in a place full of highly educated people, who don't commit crimes because, well, 'who wants to live in a crime filled society' was fantastic. As mentioned, the people prefer paying high taxes to cover the costs of their social programs. The most significant difference, however, is they expect their government to work, and when it doesn't, they clean house. They hold their public servants to account, and expect the government to run efficiently and effectively. Also, no offense, but the more education one receives the more the phenomenon of religion gets put into perspective. American style religion is built on an ancient Jewish mythology, that many parts of the world weren't indoctrinated into. I still go back on business 3-4 times per year, and enjoy it every time. If it weren't so darn cold and dark, I'd probably move back.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 07:10 PM

NO

I hate these types of threats ... "I'm going to leave the country if X is elected." It sounds whiny because it is.

I demand that we continue fighting to get our country back. It's best for us and best for the world if we do.

Anyway, the Dems are still going to control Congress (although they've done a s**t job these past two years).

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