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Monday, November 14, 2005 12:00 AM

Don't get "Fooled Again"

In his new book, Mark Crispin Miller tries to prove that Republicans rigged the 2004 election, but his evidence is thinner than a butterfly ballot.

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Monday, November 14, 2005 03:57 PM

Why on Earth...

does Salon allow this idiot Farhad Manjoo review Professor Miller's book when he clearly has no grasp whatsoever about the multitude of documented problems with DRE voting? Has this guy been living in a cave for the past 5 years?

Monday, November 14, 2005 04:31 PM

Skeptical, but Need Solid Evidence

I am not sure what to make of allegations that the 2004 election was "stolen." On the one hand, it seems that until we have some solid evidence of misbehavior in Ohio, we should stop making blanket statements that the election was stolen and that John Kerry really won Ohio. Thus far, such evidence has not been presented, and it does not appear that Mr. Miller is going to add much to the debate. However, Mr. Manjoo's articles on this subject have left me cold. He is just too flip and dismissive of allegations of even the possibility of any misdeeds that I find it hard to take him seriously. He seems uncomfortable with the whole topic. And, why no mention of Diebold's stated commitment to delivering Ohio for George W. Bush? I, for one, took them seriously. I wish Mr. Manjoo, not to mention John Kerry, did as well.

Monday, November 14, 2005 04:37 PM

Backslapping Tripe?

As the author of one of the articles selected here as an Editor's Choice, I really have to take offense at a previous writer's reference to my post on this matter as "backslapping tripe."

First off, I worked for John Kerry. I supported him long before the beginning of any caucuses and primaries and I was working for the campaign in New Mexico on election day. So no one can accuse me of not wanting John Kerry elected President of the United States or not wanting to ensure that Ohio's vote was fair.

Second, I have worked to register voters pretty much my entire life. And on the Kerry campaign, I saw evidence of voter suppression with my own two eyes. If I could post a photo here, I'd show you a phony letter purportedly from McCandless Township in Alleghany County, Pennsylvania, which attempted to convince Democratic voters that election day was November 3rd instead of the 2nd. And that's only one of many examples.

Third, I find it absurd that many posters here question Salon's commitment to telling the truth about these matters. The fact is, there has never been a smoking gun found about Ohio. And Manjoo is simply reporting that this book, like other sources on this issue, simply cobbles together a passel of conjecture, presents it as fact, and expects the American public to explode with outrage. Somehow I believe that if there were any meat on those bones, Salon would be one of the first publications to tear into it. But there isn't.

And to compare this story to stories about faulty intelligence, as another writer did, is simply disingenuous. As anyone knows, there is hard proof about the Bush administration's manipulation of intelligence. So far, there has been zero hard evidence about the election being stolen in Ohio.

People who keep going on and on about this issue risk being turned into caricatures of those folks who still believe Vince Foster was murdered by some kind of Clinton cabal. None of it adds up.

No one would like to believe that Ohio was stolen more than people like myself who worked for Kerry. But I've looked at many of these reports, read many emails and stories, and heard plenty of conjecture on this subject. And I still have not found one iota of proof of these allegations. So get some REAL goddamn proof and I'll be the first to eat the biggest goddamn crow you can find. Until then, stop calling posts like mine "backslapping tripe," when you have no FACTS to back up yours.

Monday, November 14, 2005 04:40 PM

Shame on Salon

I expect to read slanted propaganda like Farhad Manjoo's recent "review" of Mark Crispin Miller in, oh, the National Review Online. I don't, or at least I formerly did not, expect to read National Review-caliber tripe at Salon.com. However, having read the words of Farhad Manjoo (which I suspect is Jonah Goldberg writing under a pseudonym) one too many times at this site, I'm about to give up on you.

Did Mr. Manjoo even read the book? Or did he fabricate something from talking points he cribbed from GOPTeamLeader.com? His review reads closer to the latter.

Voter fraud is no joke, and anyone who makes light of it, especially given the dictatorship-level quality of federal government we've suffered under for nearly five years, is engaging in the same rank sycophancy that we've come to expect from the kind of old-guard media outlets that are controlled by defense contractors. Manjoo's snarky tone reads like something one might read on a neoconservative blog.

I have supported Salon since it started charging a subscription fee. I can go to plenty of mainstream media sites and read book reviews that are more evenhanded than Manjoo's for no cost. I can read wingnut blogs for no cost, either. This I certainly will keep in mind the next time my subscription comes up for renewal.

Salon is sliding downhill fast. Please stop the slide, or you'll lose a lot of people who have supported you in the past.

Monday, November 14, 2005 04:59 PM

Farhad Manjoo vs. Mark Crispin Miller

Anyone who reads Salon on a regular basis and scans its headlines is well aware that Farhad Manjoo doesn't believe there was election theft in 2004. It's thus a pretty "interesting" choice to have Manjoo be the designated reviewer for Miller's book.

At the very least, Salon should have offered a balancing review written by someone who has investigated the issue and has concluded that there was election fraud.

Election fraud has been a feature of American political life since the beginning -- that's why it's crucial that we remain ever-vigilant against its practitioners. Any hope America has of a decent future is dependent on the real, unsuppressed will of the people being heard at the ballot box.

Monday, November 14, 2005 06:53 PM

What I don't understand

What I don't understand is that in the pre-election coverage, Mr. Manjoo said that voting fraud could occur and the problem was there would be no way we'd ever know that it happened because there was no paper trail. He quoted the head of Diebold, the company who made the voting machines in Ohio, as saying that he would "deliver Ohio to Bush."

And now he's saying that there's no way there could have been voter fraud. But... I thought we couldn't know one way or the other and that was the problem!

So... which articles are inaccurate? The pre-election ones or the post-election ones?

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