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Alan Lloyd

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Tuesday, January 8, 2008 02:21 PM

Some of my fellow Dems are beginning to worry me.

Mostly, yet not entirely, Sen. Clinton and her adherents. "Anyone but Obama"? Really? Would you prefer Rudy Giuliani, then, Clintonistas? Would you prefer Willard Romney?

Talk about childish pique!

Anyone who has "supporters" that think this way and does not move immediately to squash such a movement before it gets underway is not a Democrat.

I am an Obama supporter. That said, I have said, here, in this forum, that I'd vote for any of the Dems' "top three" before any Republican, and I yet will, although a Clinton vote would be made with much reluctance now.

Clintonistas, you love to talk about how Obama will really face heat when the Republicans get in the game against him. Do you then think it wise to send him into that battle bruised, bleeding, and lacking covering fire? Do you hate the man so much that you'd prefer to see him lose in the general, and condemn this country you profess to love to another four or eight years of Republican kakistocracy? Do you really think Hillary Clinton is so important to the future of America that anyone who opposes her must be destroyed?

Because those, by clear implication, are the positions you are beginning to take.

At this point, I am beginning to worry more about the 30 or so percent of Clinton voters on the Democratic side than I am the Republicans - they are already a lost cause. You Clintonistas are beginning to make me think you are willing to sabotage the election if your candidate turns out to be less appealing to the American primary voters.

And all this after I thought the Kucinich "purity testers" were going to be worrisome...

Friday, January 11, 2008 04:15 PM

Roseanne Barr is a lunatic.

Anything that she says is suspect - why anyone would even think about taking advice on anything, let alone who might be the next leader of the United States, from her is a mystery to me. I'd rather ask a Magic 8-Ball.

Monday, January 14, 2008 10:34 AM

Rethinking my position here...

I've said before, here and elsewhere, that whatever happened I'd willingly vote for any of the three leading Democratic candidates.

I'm beginning to wonder...

Hillary Clinton and her minions have made this campaign rather ugly, and I do not for one minute accept that these are supporters freelancing. If they were, the proper response from the Clinton campaign would be "Stop it and stop it now!" Anyone hear anything resembling that? Anybody? Bueller?

I will vote for my current Democratic Representative. I will vote for whichever Dem becomes my Senatorial candidate. For that matter, I'd vote for lawn furniture over Norman "Quimby" Coleman, a sorry excuse for a Senator, to be sure, and one I'd gladly call an empty suit, although it would be an insult to clothing everywhere.

I will gladly vote for Barack Obama. I would vote for John Edwards, in the increasingly unlikely event he becomes the nominee. Hillary Clinton has become an apparent follower of Karl Rove's tactics, and I'm not so sure I will vote for anyone for President if she is the nominee.

After eight years of an embarrassment to the nation in the White House, we deserve better than a Bush Republican in Democrat's clothing. We deserve better than Hillary Clinton.

Monday, January 14, 2008 11:22 AM

@jqa

A brief lesson in political realities for you:

To vote Green makes sense if and only if there are Green delegations of significant size in both houses of Congress. Otherwise, there is no legislative base there and no ability to get initiatives passed. That's not a lame duck, that's a dead duck.

It is the same on the local level. I asked a Green candidate for mayor here a few years ago how she'd deal with having no members of her party on the city council or school board. She had no answer. She had given no thought whatsoever to the actual requirements of governing. Most Greens are cast from similar stuff. Nice ideals, and at the same time, utterly unsuited to the daily realities of actually running a city, county, state, or nation.

Make your case and sell it to the voters. Get some representation at those levels first. Get at least one state legislature (both houses) and governorship. Run that state well for enough years to make your party credible. Then talk to me about fielding a presidential candidate. Not before.

Yes, I'm the "lawn furniture" guy. And the Dems will, in all likelihood, win here (MN) with or without my vote for Clinton. Beating Quimby is my real "mustn't fail" goal this year, followed by a non-Republican in the White House. Since Clinton is a Republican in all but name, that begins to rule her out for me as well. I'm just not going to vote for anyone whose party (a) helped hand the election to Bush in 200, and (b) will never be able to govern in the infinitesimal chance he or she wins.

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