If the kids are both of yours, how did you get stuck doing all the parenting while he gets to live in a bachelor pad downstairs? Let them go live with him for a few weeks. It will give you time and space to sort and throw away lots of stuff and it will give him a better appreciation of how kids can destroy a clean room in seconds.

If they're just your kids, not his, then he should at least keep his own section clean.

Don't hold your breath. I'm still waiting for the magazine subscription from when I first subscribed, back when it first turned into a pay site.

Actually, this is the perfect thread in which to be reminded of that, because magazines are a major source of clutter and I'm probably better off without them.

They completely changed the headline rather than have it say that their golden girl was behind by that much.

It's interesting that a few Salon posters have decided to change Caroline Kennedy's surname for her. Way to show everyone that you haven't read the op ed piece she wrote (nor any of her books, nor anything about her work, nor any of the interviews in which she has repeatedly stated that she's kept her own name).

A few journalists have made the same mistake this week and even the New York Times, which managed to get her name right for her byline and all their articles about her, decided to tack on the surname of its choice to her listing in their index.

Anonymous 2:21, best laugh of the campaign so far!

On a more serious note, much as a dislike Hillary, I still can't imagine myself voting for McCain. Bush, Rove, and the push-pollers insulted his daughter and his wife, but McCain not only didn't stand up for his family, he then went back to working with those who had insulted them.

The sub-headline for this article on the main page says, "With a new ad featuring an image of his white mother and a trip to her home state of Kansas, the Obama campaign is checking more than one racial box." Well, yeah, why shouldn't he check more than one box? Are you really criticizing his campaign for showing pictures of his mother in which she's *gasp* white? Is support for the "one-drop" rule one of Salon's new editorial changes? Gosh, it just gets better and better.

The surrogate gets three years worth of pay for carrying a baby, which doesn't really interfere with her daily life. The parents get a baby to love.

Who's harmed by gestational surrogacy? The women aren't giving up their own biological children. In fact, they're making a better future for their own children. The woman in the article bought a house and is now building savings for her son.

What is immoral about gestational surrogacy?

"In a country were poor women are property, don't get to keep their own money -- do you honestly think it isn't their husbands or parents selling their wombs for them???? ... In a country were women control their own bodies, you don't see alot of women volunteering for this.. imagine that." -- jrbrown10

The woman in the article used the money to buy a house after her husband had abandoned her. Also, as the article pointed out, there are gestational surrogates in America. Google a bit to find their ads on various infertility message boards. American surrogates are usually housewives in their thirties who are looking to bring in a bit of extra cash while taking care of their own children, or college students delighted to be able to earn money without taking much time out of their busy schedules.

So joejoe, did you dismiss Hillary's wins in Texas and Ohio as meaningless because, "what a shock, those states are full of women."

Obama has won more delegates and more of the popular vote than Hillary. Only 15% of the country is black, are they running from state to state to vote for him?

The dictionary definition of feminism is that it's about equal rights. It's not about choice and I reserve the right to laugh at women who self-righteously make stupid choices.

Actually, I think that makes me a good friend. I'd have been the one laughing at her when she chose to become "Silda Spitzer"; which would have made a nice contrast to her other female friends and family who, I'm sure, encouraged her to take such an absurd name and later encouraged her to do every other thing he asked of her, including that press conference.

Most women put a lot of peer pressure on other woman to conform. She wasn't on that stage for him, she was on that stage because her mother, sisters, and best friends all said to her, "do it for your children, he's still the father of your children, be forgiving, choose your battles, prove that you can love him anyway, is this the hill you want to die on, show that you can be gracious," and all that other nonsense that women say to each other when any woman starts to show some self-respect.

This is part of why I don't want Hillary to win. I don't want my future daughters to think they'll be rewarded for letting a man treat them like garbage.

Chris.Borthwick, thanks for the link to the very interesting article by a former "pillow angel". I'll repost it because I think more people should read it.

seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/319702_noangel17.html

I've had the theme song stuck in my head for months but hadn't realized it came from a real song. Can't wait to get the Kinks album you mentioned, hope it's as good as the folk version.

It looks like the folk version is available too, on Kate Rusby's "Awkward Annie" CD.

Black Sheep, babies weren't mentioned, fetuses were. Thank you for sliding down the slippery slope on the first page, maybe it will spare us pages of people denying that slope exists.