Yes but at least he was speaking and mispoke. Of course you were making a point but really.

Okay, let me get this straight. First you thought that I'd misspoken, and attacked me for my lack of eloquence. But now that it turns out the president misspoke, and I just made a point of mocking him, somehow the lack of eloquence is thoroughly excusable, but there's something wrong with the point I was making?

Seriously, Anonymouse, you couldn't display your double-standard any more clearly if you put up charts.

And yet still, their duly elected officials REFUSE to pull us out of IRAQ. Sounds to me like the people just aren't getting what they want. So why aren't the Republican officials helping...oh yeah, because they weren't elected to pull us out.

You had it right the first time: the people just aren't getting what they want. Hence the numerous polls showing a large majority of Americans saying the country is headed down the wrong direction. But as for why the Republicans aren't helping (and why Bush is doing his best to prolong the war), the answer is simple: The republicans understand clearly that Iraq is primarily a Republican failing. However, once they pull out, a final tally will be made, and the extent of this failure will be there for all to see. Before that happens, they need to make sure a Democrat is president, so that, at least in the echo chambers, an argument can be made that the fault does not necessarily lie with Republicans.

That is. That is the sole remaining justification for prolonging the war: playing games with the lives of troops as part of a big Republican CYA maneuver. Lovely, isn't it?

And if they would have become terrorists ANYWAY??? Then we DOd have a gain.

Is that your point, that the Iraqis would have become terrorists anyway, so we may as well kill them? If that is true, please explain why they only became terrorists after, oh, the US invaded their country and killed half a million of them. You're saying that the half million dead didn't actually matter, and that it's only a coincidence that many Iraqis turned to terrorism?

O...kay.

Or maybe Miss Reno suddenly firing all 93 U.S. attorneys...a decision she said the decision had been made in conjunction with the White House.

This is commonly done when a new administration gets in. Bush 1 and Bush 2 did it also. The question is, why would Bush do this once and then do it again, firing the attorneys he appointed? And that fact has come clear: not enough investigations into the false claims of Democratic election rigging. Can you show those kinds of shenanigans going on during Clinton?

Or the Waco incident.

Waco was a fuckup. But it wasn't a partisan agenda fuckup. Unless David Koresh was a prominent Republican.

Webster Hubbell committing suicide and no one from the Justice Department investigating it.

You must mean Vince Foster, as Hubbell is still alive. Get your talking points straight. And, actually, Foster's suicide was investigated ad infinitum by the Republican congress (to the price tag of $70 million) and found no sign of wrongdoing. They did find a stained blue dress though...

I could keep going but whatever...it's all past history.

No, please, do keep going. Your claims are useful in showing exactly how corruption in the Clinton Admin pales in comparison to the same in the Bush Admin.

But if we have no credibility around the world, then I guess they won't mind if we just ignore them, huh.

This is the height of arrogance. Fact is, the US won the cold war primarily because, in the war of ideas, ours were better than the USSR's. We used to win allies through this method, and those allies were instrumental to our success. This new "fuck the world" mentality of Bush and his sycophants is a recipe for disaster. As we're already seeing. Value of the US dollar? Trade deficit? Cooperation of our erstwhile allies?

I'm sorry. We really need the adults in charge again, before you bring the whole house down in flames.

Anonymous is a distraction. People like this just try to muddy the waters. "Hey, argue with me! I believe in the Great Pumkin!"

I think it's important to show that people who believe in Bush and his policies also believe in a range of things that are demonstrably untrue, such as The Great Pumpkin. That way, the point can be made, "Sure, there are a handful of idiots in the GOP who still think Bush's policies are anything other than an unmitigated disaster... But let's look at what else these people think! And look at how they come to their conclusions!"

The Bush Regime and its apologists must be shown for the intellectually bankrupt imbeciles that they are. This is how the Marketplace of Ideas work. Through discussion of any and all ideas, the valid ones rise to the top. In this case, it may have taken some years, and a tremendous amount of damage, but slowly we see that the only ones drinking Bush's Kool-Ade are the same idiots who make stupid decisions in most aspects of their lives.