Yes. It's clear that you don't give a fuck about results, or anything other than parading what even you must see is an embarrassingly cartoonish self-image of adnoto as the courageous truth-teller. Jesus.

None of the people you've namechecked here: King, Gandhi, Zinn, any of them - ever used insults and look-at-me false bravado. They patiently critiqued, explained, and offered a positive vision of the future.

Yank cranks to your heart's content. I'm losing any concern I once had that any of the lurkers will mistake you for a genuine radical.

Pitch-perfect satire.

It was satire, right?

The piece wasn't about the civilian bombing. It was about the suppression of photos. By... wait for it... President Barack Obama.

In other words, you're objecting to an anti-Obama piece for being insufficiently anti-Obama, because it references Bill O'Reilly making comments... in support of Obama's policy.

This has got to be massive cognitive dissonance for you, so you have my sympathy. Just take your time. Breathe slowly and evenly. It's all going to be all right.

I didn't read it as satire.

What I thought was being presented was the logical extension: if suppression of the torture photos is a good idea (as has been advocated by many), then suppression of evidence of civilian deaths is also a good idea (which is not being advocated by these same people).

It's a pretty standard Greenwaldian trope: "if you think this is good, then you must also think this is good."

Hope this helps.

I've tried. I've tried being nice. I've tried asking important questions. I've tried challenging. I've tried provoking. I've tried being hysterical. I've begged and pleaded. I've tried logic. I've tried appeals to emotion. I am not sure what else to try.

I can say without fear of contradiction that I've engaged with you more than anyone else on this issue. I don't think you've earnestly tried the things you claim to have tried. I honestly don't believe that you are here with any goal other than a form of stress-relief. However, I'm open to being shown I'm wrong... and I'm also open to other people changing. It's a bit Lucy-and-the-football for me to go down this road with you again, but whatever.

What people need to shift out of their beliefs about the path to social change is hope. Fear won't do it. Despair won't do it. If you merely try to tell people what they believe is wrong without offering them an alternative, they'll (rightly in my view) ignore you. And if you do it with a lecturing, I'm-smarter-than-you tone, they'll (also rightly in my view) ignore you and think you're an asshole.

If you want to advocate for a particular course of action, then sell that course of action. You have the sequence exactly backwards. Just saying what others are doing is wrong - over and over again - is unpersuasive. If you want to say direct action is better, than say so: and show it. There's myriad examples of successful campaigns, here and abroad. Use humor. Use scorn not against your interlocutors and the people you're trying to reach, but against the people that got us into this situation. Encourage solidarity, not dissension.

If what you're claiming is true - that you just want to wake people up and show them they're on the wrong path - then that's a way that will be much more effective than what you're doing now. It's not necessarily the only way. But I can guarantee you this: what you're doing now will not get one person to see things your way... and it will turn off and alienate many, many more.

And that latter fact, as I have told you over and over again, is the reason why you are my bête noire in these threads. You claim to want change, but you are actively - in a small but very real way - impeding the possibility of change.

The choice, as it always has been, is yours.

It is simply not credible for you to argue that people willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt are some great hypocrites because they wouldn't do the same with Bush.

I don't see where Glenn argues this. In the excerpt you posted, the point was that that the people endorsing Obama are the people who endorsed Bush policies... and it's those policies that fomented anti-American hatred and endangered the troops.