Most American christianists believe that homosexuals are a miniscule segment of the population. They appear to believe that nobody in their churches is gay, nobody in their towns or their offices or in the Republican Party, nobody in their own lives.

With Foley and Haggard and Lord-knows how many others, maybe they will begin to realize that homosexuals are everywhere. The problem is making them understand that most homosexuals are just normal folks. Creeps like Foley and Haggard give gays a bad name.

Poster Chas was right on! So were a couple of others. "Did not inhale" + "Did not have sexual relations with that homo"

We thought it was so funny, and we thought we were so clever! And now, this afternoon, our dopey jokes came true!

Maybe we will find out that Dick Cheney really is made of brown sugar, and we can melt him by throwing a bucket of water at him. Maybe Karl Rove will go back to Kansas in a balloon. Maybe G.W. Bush will get a brain, a heart, and courage.

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I feel terrible that they took those lovely dogs into Abu Ghraib, and made them do that awful job. The dogs are good soldiers who do their duty. But they are nicer and smarter than Lindie England and G.W. Bush. It is a crime to use them that way.

Everybody who is interested in this issue: I encourage you to look at the posts in War Room over the past couple days as this developed. And then look through the rest of Salon over the past year, to see the christianist problem in the USA.

As a smart Salon poster pointed out recently, the Christian Right are not stupid, but they are gullible. Their move into politics has been disastrous, because they are not logical.

Coastal Democrats and other reasonable people are far behind the curve. They (we) still are amazed by christianist superstition and hypocrisy, even though these people have been in our political faces for twenty years. Haggard is typical. He actually is one of their better (from our point of view) leaders.

Somehow, we need to shove these people back out of politics, back into their religious world, where they used to stay. We need to separate politics from religion, or we are doomed. We never will convince them of anything, because they are not susceptible to reason.

Just, please get out of politics. Nobody outside of Colorado Springs would criticize Pastor Ted if he had stayed out of politics.

His politics were simple-minded, and they polluted his Christianity. His actions were only human. In Christianity, he is ashamed and forgiven, but in politics, he will not be forgiven.

Hooray for you for supporting your friend Pastor Ted, but just help him heal, and let reason and progress rule our nation.

Pam: You have supported G.W. Bush and his Republicans for good, Christian reasons, but they enmesh you in evil things that you never intended to support. Their Torture and their Dungeons actually are anti-Christian. And associating with then tangles you up with creeps such as Representative Foley, Pastor Ted's druggie male prostitute friend, and Greedy Jack Abramoff.

So, get out of Republican politics! If you have a particular moral issue (maybe Abortion?), go ahead and work on that issue, but do not allow them to use you for the evil parts of their work. (Republicans have not been effective against Abortion, anyway. How many decades have they spoken against it, without accomplishing anything at all?)

Just reading your posts here, we can tell that you are smarter, nicer, and more moral than most of the big-time Republicans. Start telling them what to do. Do not let them use you.

Is it not grotesque that they made it illegal for their torture victims to talk about their torture? It is a like perverts who molest children, and then make the children promise never to tell.

Tommy Franks said Feith of the Office of Special Plans (now retired) was the dumbest person.

Bush? Cheney? Or do we need to wait until their terms are up?

Pastor Ted's people still seem to believe everything he said. They are not "considering the source" at all. Heaven help us!

Keep this Scandal Sheet going, and keep it available, please! This will be THE reference place for politics during the next few years. This will settle arguments, stifle propaganda, and change minds.

Some of the posters here believe that Pastor Ted's church members have forgiven him. That is only sort of true.

The people in Pastor Ted's church, and in similar churches now believe that Pastor Ted almost certainly will go to hell after he dies. They say that they forgive him, but they believe that he has rejected his salvation. Or they think he never really was saved in the first place.

They have a screwy idea about salvation. They do not care about "good behavior" except in relation to getting into heaven.

In a true Christian congregation, Pastor Ted's homosexuality would not even be a sin. So he might never have come to this point. He could have been openly gay all along, and his life probably would have played out differently. So he might not be dealing with problems of promiscuity, family-destruction, and drugs and so on, either.