Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

Of course, the Repu'ublicist strategy here is simply to hand Obama an outright defeat, or to have the cowardly Dems end up passing a POS bill that does nothing substantive, so they can then say "SEE! we told ya teh government can't do heath care right!"

It's all about political power, not about rational governance.

'Life is unfair. Get over it. My job is not about meting out 'justice,' it's narrowly about what the words in the Constitution meant at the time of its enactment, period."

Scalia also thinks torture is Constitutional if used "tactically" and not simply as punishment.

http://bgladd.blogspot.com/2008/02/catachresis.html

He sux.

YEAH!

And no more free military defense either.

$2.55 trillion in annual health care expenditure. Just divide by 307 million population. Send everyone their first annual bill year, for $8,143.32 each in 2009.

Simple. done. Move on.

Of course, this is why our comparable counterpart industrial nations, all with one form or another of universal coverage, government-mandated "monopolies," deliver better overall outcomes at approximately half the cost per capita.

Real genius, you are. LOL.

We spend more than $2.5 trillion dollars a year now on "health care," approximately 2x per capita relative to comparable industrial nations (all of whom provide one manner or another of universal coverage) with documentably inferior aggregate clinical outcomes. A lot of influential people and their extremely profitable corporations are perfectly fine with that, and are not about to see it substantively messed it. They are winning. The ignorant masses ranting their angrily mindless bumper sticker platitudes of late are the media-effective dupes of these con artists.

I guess you too have a reading comprehension problem. I was asking him to ignore me. You can do likewise.

"Medicare - Bankrupt. Does this mean anything to the Single Payer crowd? I beg a response here because it is completely ignored, but is undisputable proof that single payer will not work in our country - people don't want it and Congress is incapable of managing it without bankrupting it."

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Straw Man.

Congress FUNDS medicare. CMS manages it, and they do a good job overall, given the resources they are accorded by Congress. The fact that Medicare has future unfunded liabilities doesn't have shit to do with its management. And, perhaps the politics of Medicare funding would be wholly different under a single payer model.

There is by now long and incontrovertible evidence that single payer and other types of universal coverage models "work" in comparable industrial nations-- significantly better than does our non-system.

"proof that single payer will not work in our country"

That is beyond lame. How can you assert "proof" denying something that has not even been tried? That is simply your subjective opinion, not "proof."

Again, henceforth just ignore me. Or, (of course) have the last word, and then ignore me. You are a waste of time.

You are clearly not interested in debate. Your mind is made up. I'm not "losing" anything. Just ignore me from now on. My rational interest is in affordable universal coverage, however it's structured. Niggling around at the margins on a for-profit actuarial model "system" cannot get there.

"Public Option will lead to Single payer guarenteed [sic]."

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Increasingly sounds like a good idea to me. Why don't we just cut to the chase?