Thanks for your reply. You know, as an example, I have had nothing but baiting from Obama supporters (let alone insults and name calling, including calling me racist)so I guess I'm assuming perhaps more than I should.

Nothing anyone has said in argument to me has so far had any semblance of reasonable discourse (let alone rationality), and any "niceness" has merely been a bait (with all due respect, I'm even now suspicious of yours). But I would say that the irrationality is rampant on both sides.

I've seen proClinton blogs that I find a little over the top but I've tried what you have tried on proObama blogs in the beginning of all this doing my best to be peaceful only to be slammed. I gave up being nice. So, I would say that one should not expect rationality on sites of either side that don't allow for both sides to actually discuss subjects. It's hard enough here.

So, I think what I am saying is that in your original post on my words on it won't be "white racism" that loses this election for Obama, is that I agree with you and I think you agree with me, but it's not just Clinton supporters who won't have a rational argument (and as I stated above, perhaps good reason for it). The insanity goes both ways and is driving us into the ground.

Oh, and because Obama supporters assume Clinton supporters are uneducated and racist (not you, but just for the record), I happen to have a masters degree (4.0 and graduated with honors) and my dead husband was black (and have black friends to boot, who happen to be both Obama and Clinton supporters). As a matter of fact, a black friend just sent me the link to Slate's article on the value of liberal guilt. He thinks it's hysterical that white people have bought into this to this degree. But, what the hey.

"You can't have it both ways. Either the Clintons are expert politicians or imbeciles. We know the Clintons are not stupid."

That's an argument? Get real. Actually, you can have it both ways. The Clintons are human beings just like you and they make mistakes...just like you. This is just a paranoid bunch of bullshit.

Wow! Bill's comment really got them the points they wanted didn't it? Wowwee. That's amazingly calculated!

And you can spin Clinton's RFK comment around and around all you want, it doesn't add up. That's hokum. That's just a let's pull a big one out our ass and call it reality! And furthermore, you and the rest of the Obama supporters who use that KNOW this. But you will do anything, say anything, believe anything, if it will hurt Clinton more. That really ought to add to the Democratic party healing for November. Good luck with that!

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post. It's just more hokem Obama supporter book of arguments nonsense repeated adnauseum. Go back to school, Hhatchet. Then come back and play with the big people.

But not much came out of Clinton's mouth that wasn't a fact. She (or even Bill) didn't go around saying "hey white people, blackie's out to get ya!" or something equivalent to what Obama said to black audiences with the "bamboozeled" remark. Oh, I saw the tape of that, with Obama's words as real as day! AND I have been told by my black friends that wasn't simply "wanting to connect with both sides of his heritage." One was pretty shocked to hear him go on like that.

The truth of it is, is that it isn't really discussed in any open way that allows for "white people" to state their feelings without being shot down and called racist. That's hardly a dialogue. And I do agree that there is a huge amount of white racism. But a lot of that is simply ignorance, cultural identity loyalty (no more than black racism) and some of it is reactionary to black racism being touted as okay to express against whites.

What most people HERE don't understand is that many, many people, not just older women, absolutely love Clinton, no more than many people absolutely love Obama.

Personally, if Clinton hadn't been in the race, I'd be all over Obama just because I always vote Democrat and progressive (always.).

When I see Clinton speak, I cry (I'm crying now to speak of it). Because for the first time a woman, and not just any woman, but a woman who is not (regardless of what people think) calculated or smooth-talking or polished even, is running for president and nearly making it and more than that, democratic to boot.

She represents me and all the other women who love her, what it means to be human and to be a woman and to have those foibles that we all have and still have the guts to take the beating she has and kept on going. And then to be treated like she has been? To be denigrated and castigated and hated like she has been? Believe me, that woman standing saying those things feels this as deeply as I do.

And I say 'bravo' to her! But she knows and feels what so many, many, many other Clinton supporters know and feel. That who and what Clinton truly is as a human being, as a woman, and as a leader, has been obscured and seriously falsely portrayed to once again, serve a man (it doesn't matter that he is black) and once again, our voice, and this is the most important part, our voice as WOMEN AS HUMAN BEINGS has been ignored. Not simply as women, as so many would like to portray us, but as women as human beings.

And that is why that woman is so upset.