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Sunday, February 17, 2008 04:33 PM

Anonymous

Yeah, Clinton's broke....She just cleared 11 million in donations since Feb 5. Sorry to tell you, she's not going away soon.

And funny that even Rove just commented that both Obama and Clinton have pretty much the same odds (of course McCain beating them both). As a matter of fact, he commented about how Obama has no experience compared to Clinton or McCain and that will come out. Imagine that!? But Obama beating McCain compared to Clinton, that's the convenient myth Obama supporters WANT everyone to believe, isn't it?

Sunday, February 17, 2008 03:52 PM

Anonymous

Wow, gosh, people right and left! Not that Clinton isn't a major contender either with people left and right who like her very much. But, of course, that doesn't count. No, everybody hates her!

And, BTW, that pro-Hillary blog was originated by a man who voted for Obama. And there's a tad more than just anecdotal evidence there as demonstrated by voter change logs in those elections. So, what happens when all of those so-called Obama voters go back to being Republican in November? Bye, bye Presidency to McCain. Just what Rove ordered.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 03:36 PM

anonymous 3:16

Not according to what is posted over at mydd.com:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/16/143326/350

Bets are on that you're a Republican shill.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 03:26 PM

Anonymous 3:16

And how much is the Republican Party paying you?

Sunday, February 17, 2008 02:16 PM

Is The Democratic Presidency being Hijacked?

There something far more nefarious going on according to mydd.com.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/16/143326/350

...Rove was another step ahead of Obama.

Forty percent of the Obama voters in Iowa were Republicans. Obama will tell you his "inspiration" message is working. Republican operatives tell a different story.There is a very successful GOP strategy to take out Hillary in the democratic primaries that is capitalizing on the Obama strategy.

But more importantly there is a nationwide roster of Republican party activists who have backed Obama and then brought their constituents along with them to vote Independent or cross party lines to vote for Obama. This is a fact of this primary season.

The pattern is so widespread that one has to wonder what is going on?

Obama, via his now obvious campaign strategy outlined above, would have us believe that his cross party appeal is bringing in tons of new voters. Men and women, he asserts, who are abandoning their party to vote for him. And some Democratic Party officials and activists are supporting Obama based on this assertion. Who doesn't want a candidate who can bring in masses of new voters? Nancy Pelosi it has been rumored, impressed by this vote-getting ability, is considering endorsing Obama.

But what if Obama is not actually bringing in tons of new voters? What if Republicans have organized to cross party lines or vote independent with one goal in mind: to defeat Senator Clinton. And what if this strategy was developed by top level Republican party functionaries-- including Karl Rove-- who believe Clinton will be the more formidable opponent in the general election?

Anecdotal evidence in support of a Republican manipulation is everywhere. Remember the recent Obama win in Maryland? Nicole Price, the Maryland political director of Obama's campaign told the Washington Times that when she arrived in the state to ramp up the campaign. She found "a home-grown campaign already thriving." Republicans backing Obama had put more yard signs in Maryland than in South Carolina and they had paid for the signs "themselves." The Times also noted that in Louisiana, where he won by a wide margin, exit polls showed that Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary favored Mr. Obama 3-1 over Clinton. About 5 percent of the voters in the Democratic primary said they were Republicans.

According to the Washington Times story, Daniel B., Chance, a retired oil man, voted for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in the Maryland Republican primary in the morning. He then spent the afternoon making calls from the phone bank at the Obama campaign's Baltimore County Headquarters in Towson.

The critical point here is this: what is a loyal Huckabee supporter doing making calls for Obama?

Moreover, the Huckabee supporter joined a large mix of either Republicans like himself or Democrat for-a-day Republican converts who were also making calls on behalf of Obama.

Besides this anecdotal evidence, are there any hard facts which support a widespread Republican manipulation of the Democratic primaries? Time magazine reports,

"Rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations to vote in Democratic primaries."

In Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for Obama on February 9th. And according to CNN in Iowa 44 percent of those voting for Obama were Republican.

I never thought I would have my suspicions raised to wonder at Obama supporters who come here and tell me about how horrible Clinton is or hate Hillary or how bad the Clinton administration was in the 90s, etc., etc., etc. I just never bought that there could be that many republican shills doing this. Well, I do now.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 01:24 PM

Madame Defarge

The lies and peccadilloes of Bill Clinton and the "downfalls" of his administration are nothing compared with the outright blatant lies and corruption of Bush & CO. I doubt seriously anyone can compare the two, least of all the Republicans come November.

I think you also forget that Kennedy and MLK were both major philanderers, just as much of even more (in Kennedy's case) than even Bill actually. But no one speaks about THAT, do they? Nobody decries them or calls them sexist or misogynist, do they?

And I think you also forget the sheer number of people who remember both of them fondly and think that Bill's administration was one of the best this country has ever had. Many people would very much like that so-called "sordid mess" administration back, any day. If people thought it was so bad, Hillary Clinton would not still be a contender.

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