When I was at the caucus for Supertuesday, Clinton supporters were mostly older but not all and I had several black women who were there for Clinton who sat with me. Obama supporters basically screamed out their vitriol at Clinton and shouted down those who spoke for her. The two black women who I sat next to told me later that other blacks had called them names like bitch and cunt and traitor for not voting for Obama. Not one, (NOT ONE GOD DAMN ONE!) Clinton supporter said anything at all bad about Obama but they were surely trashed for any word said in support of Clinton. Think of this experience a thousand upon thousand fold across the country.

Do you think Clinton supporters are going to forget how they and Clinton have been treated? Especially some of those older people who can just as easily identify with McCain if he tries hard enough to garner their support.

And when it comes to older women, what Obama supporters DON'T REALIZE is that those older women who support Clinton IDENTIFY with her and also IDENTIFY with how she is treated....because they have been treated that way. When Clinton is trashed, is called a cunt or bitch, is demonized, is arrogantly devalued because she is an older woman, is hated just because she is Clinton or just because she is a woman, when those moments do occur when she is unfairly characterized, when her age or her looks are trashed, whatever it is, they feel like it's being done to them - because they've had it done to them. It's like it's being done to them all over again every time it's done to her.

And Obama supporters can pretend all they want to that doesn't matter and that those women will come around to voting for Obama in November just because, but many of them will remember how Clinton was trashed and how THEY were treated and say NO. It's blind arrogance on the part of Obama supporter thinking that those women will simply forget and "fall in line".

And it's THAT willful blind ARROGANCE pretending that those women don't matter, that those Clinton supporters who have been disenfrancised in Florida and Michigan don't matter and all the Clinton supporters that have been insulted with such vehemence here and most especially a caucuses across the country don't matter, that will cost us the election in November.

But Obama supporters can live right now in their fool's paradise. Do it now because it ain't going to last.

Article not relevant at Salon? Made up figures? Fluff? How funny, because it's being "made up" with all the facts and figures to see at Rasmussen.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_wesley_little/what_if_democrats_used_winner_take_all

But of course that would offend all the Obama supporters that any thing written that doesn't 100% perfect view of Obama's campaign is anything but sacrilege and irrelevant.

Anybody reading all the letters would know this is a joke. A few newcomers come expressing support for Clinton and, "oh my God, it's a conspiracy!" God forbid that something other than pro-Obama supplication should be even whispered at Salon.

Free speech? Not tolerated here! Good God, especially not if it's in any way negative to Obama or even inadvertently positive to Clinton. Haven't you heard? Support for Clinton or criticism of Obama, why that's racist!

Wait for it - they're all shills being paid for by Clinton, Wilentz is a shill, Salon is a shill, this is all a Clinton's fault, it's a bad article and doesn't make any sense - why? because it's supportive of Clinton, of course!

The knowledge that there is a whole massive multitude of people who don't worship Obama is beyond the imagination of the Obama supporters here. Such heresy!

I answered you several pages back with my thoughts.

And I will add to that personally and honestly, I don't know if I will vote for Obama. I'm one of those older women who identifies with Hillary and I don't think I am wrong in my analysis of the many other women's identification with her. If I do, I don't think I will be voting for him but for his suspicious promise about healthcare reform (honestly, I don't believe Obama really means any change on this - I think he goes on about just to get elected) and hopefully to get us out of Iraq (again another doubtful and suspicious promise) and last not to vote for another republican. But if the election were held to day.... I'd have a strong impulse to just write in Clinton's name.

Yep, that's a vote for McCain but I am sick to death of being railroaded and arm-twisted by Obama and his supporters. I'm sick of the unabashed sexism that is used and tolerated against Clinton and against older women in general. I'm sick to death of lack of any real media discussion or presentation of anything that's not pro-Obama - smacks of totalitarianism and republicanism. I don't mind criticism of Clinton as long as it's fair and balanced and as long as fair and balanced criticism of Obama is presented also. And I don't find that many places and certainly rarely here.

But ya'll will just have to wait until November to see if I change my mind, won't you?

And I'll say this, if you're about to give me some arm-twisting and baited argument on "issues", blah, blah, blah, don't bother. I've heard and read it all before. I've never seen an "discussion" here by an Obama supporter that isn't used as bait to rehash all the same Obama talking points and I'm not biting.