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Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:44 AM

A view from the OTHER side...

I thought it interesting to get this view from another side. This is from Moe Lane at redstate.com where they hate Clinton.

http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/code_words

"..which comes via TalkLeft (the title, "These Kinds Of Sexist Remarks Are Not What I Am Looking For," should give you an idea of their reaction), my general conclusion was merely Stone cold dumb[expletive deleted] of Obama for letting that come out wrong. Then I remembered that I'm a knuckle-dragging reactionary Neanderthal of a GOP fascist patriarch, so I did what knuckle-dragging reactionary Neanderthal GOP fascist patriarchs do in such cases: I went and asked my wife what I should be thinking.

I got an earful. While my better half (and I should note for the record that my wife is: a, the sole wage-earner of the family; b, has a doctorate in aerospace engineering; c, is a right-wing moderate with a lifetime NRA membership and no intention of voting Democratic in this election) normally looks upon my political enthusiasms with the same polite, supportive disinterest that she reserves for my love of the Cthulhu Mythos, on this topic she has an opinion, which you may read after the fold.

Read on.

The following was typed out by her: I haven't edited it at all, except to blockquote it.

Obama was careful not to say anything glaringly, obviously misogynistic; he never explicitly references Sen. Rodham Clinton's sex, for example, so he can say, in all innocence, that he was just talking about her as a person, not as a woman.

However, I find that disingenuous. The charge that women are irrational and emotional has long been levied against them, to argue why they should not be allowed into the political (or other public) arena. "A woman president? She'll get PMS and push the button." Women get emotional ("when she's down") and then do those silly, female things that men can gently laugh patronizing about ("launches attacks to boost her appeal"). Note that it's cast, subtly, as a self-image problem. She needs to "boost her appeal" like a woman who, feeling down, goes out and buys expensive shoes so she'll feel pretty.

If he's said that when she "feel threatened," "feels behind," "is behind in the primary," or otherwise implied that her attacks were motivated by a rational reason, I wouldn't have blinked at the comment. Instead, it's all because she's feeling badly - silly little woman.

(NB: If you're defining misogyny as vicious frothing hatred against women, then no, his comments were not misogynistic. Maybe "sexist" is a better word - whatever you want to call it, his comments play to an old and pervasive idea that women's minds just aren't as strong as men's.)"

The comments from all the republican conservatives are very interesting, as they AGREE WITH OBAMA's subtext, that a woman is too emotional and weak to serve as President, and considering Clinton hasn't said anything about this, but this obviously evidence that it is Clinton who is playing the sexist/woman as victim card. Oh, and women who are PMS'ing shouldn't be anywhere near the BIG button.

So, how is it, conservatives "GET IT" in all the different forms, but Obama supporters are so willing to be so blind when it serves Obama?

Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:09 AM

@Malthust

That's the best you can come up with? lol

Sorry, that's a red herring. We're not talking about Bill here, are we?

And you forget, that intern was an ADULT and a quite WILLING participant. I don't recall WHEN sex between adults who are willing became misogynist or sexist.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:01 PM

@tina schrier

So, according to you, every man who has a lot of sex with different women, is sexist and misogynist?

Or is it just Bill Clinton?

And all of those women who stay in a marriage where a man has had an affair or several of them, are to blame and additionally, no matter what reconciliation or work on the marriage the couple may have done, are stupid shits for staying in the marriage?

Or does this just pertain to Hillary Clinton?

Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:19 PM

Madame Defarge

Yawn...

Last I looked, 22 years old is indeed an ADULT. Was Bill an idiot on this? Yep, sure was. Was there a sexual harassment suit? No. Misogynist or sexist (as pertains to our conversation)? Not unless you want to condemn 95% of most men who are not gay.

And the last I looked this was over 10 years ago. And yeah, the right will probably make what ever hay they can of it. But, been there, done that. Nothing new.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:34 PM

@emily.jayne

Sorry, emily.jayne, and affair between two consenting adults in the workplace, whether it be between a boss and a subordinate or not, is NOT sexual harassment. Get your facts straight.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:49 PM

@farnsworth

On the contrary, the Republicans may be laughing now but considering they take misogynism and sexism as a joke and pretend racism doesn't matter, McCain and the rest of them will probably be stepping right into the deep manure pit of it left and right and end up with it all over them before November even gets close.

And then, who'll be laughing?

Sunday, February 17, 2008 01:24 PM

Madame Defarge

The lies and peccadilloes of Bill Clinton and the "downfalls" of his administration are nothing compared with the outright blatant lies and corruption of Bush & CO. I doubt seriously anyone can compare the two, least of all the Republicans come November.

I think you also forget that Kennedy and MLK were both major philanderers, just as much of even more (in Kennedy's case) than even Bill actually. But no one speaks about THAT, do they? Nobody decries them or calls them sexist or misogynist, do they?

And I think you also forget the sheer number of people who remember both of them fondly and think that Bill's administration was one of the best this country has ever had. Many people would very much like that so-called "sordid mess" administration back, any day. If people thought it was so bad, Hillary Clinton would not still be a contender.

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