So you like McCain then?

No, fuck no. I won't vote for anyone. My state will go Democrat no matter what, so my vote would be purely symbolic. If I lived somewhere where it mattered, I would probably force myself to vote for OBama because I certainly don't want McCain.

Like I said, it was a close choice. Close enough that speaking ability alone is enough. Clinton is also a lawyer, but she's not as experienced as Obama.

What? I know this is not going to make a bit of difference to you, but Hillary has far more experience practicing and teaching law than Obama. She taught law in Arkansas, she became a partner at a law firm, she worked in Congress, she was a staff attorney for the children's defense fund.

You didn't answer my question as to why you're supporting Obama over Clinton. Try again.

Obama is a better speaker and is a Constitutional Law Scholar.

So this is why you're voting for him over clinton? To me, those are not good reasons, esp. considering Clinton is also a lawyer.

Will I vote for OBama? No, I can't vote for someone who I think is so fake, and who made so many ridiculous promises he knew would never come true to rally some gullible fools into voting for him. He's a very smart man, hopefully he doesn't believe his own ridiculous hype about how he will heal the country and make us love each, because if he actually does believe that, then he definitely needs to be kept away from the presidency.

Do you think Carter was a snake oil salesman, too? I always thought he was naive and love dovey;

Of course he was a snake oil salesman. I'm back to my "wake up, people" feeling. Do you honestly believe that you can become the governor of Georgia and then the president of the united states by being lovey-dovey? Why would a peanut farmer suddenly decide to run for political office? Where did this idea come from, just for fun? Carter was not a shoe-in, he came out of nowhere in the primaries, he had to struggle to win, why would someone do all that, if not for a lust of power? Sigh.

the Obama you describe in your post is anything but lovey dovey. He's a shrewd politician, calculated, and a little evil. And since it's obviously impossible to bring American's together, what does it matter if Obama doesn't accomplish it?

Because if he's making huge, ridiculous promises his butt can't cash, he will be a one-termer just like Carter, and the Repugs will be back in power. Is that what you want? Remember what happened last time with that, with Reagan & Bush I?

Isn't it good that he's actually a Washington insider who is ambitious to be president? Don't you think that will mean he will do whatever it takes to get his policies pushed through?

See, that's where I think Clinton will be more skilled, in actually being president, making legislation happen, fixing things, running things, doing the grunt work. Making shit happen. He's great at talking, but his record of accomplishments... not so hot. Why is that? Because he's been running for president his whole life, he's been too busy to make any landmark legislation.

The problem is, you're letting fear rule your thinking. You're shouting "wake up people", but wake up to what? Vote for Hillary? McCain? Or is it just a general yell of "we're all doooooomed" which really serves no purpose other than perhaps a cathartic one for you?

It's "Wake up, people! Obama is a cynical politician like the rest of 'em, his message is a fraud that he himself most likely doesn't believe [and if he does believe it, then we REALLY don't need someone like that as president], what he promises most certainly won't come true, and he's just stroking your liberalism to get you to vote for him with sweet nothings he knows you love. He doesn't really care about the policy, and he hasn't bothered to really learn it. He would be a worse president than Clinton." That's my message.

And even if Obama falls short of what I suggested, much less what you suggested, it still doesn't equal Carter, who himself was a much better President than is generally acknowledged. It doesn't have to end the same way, 30 years separate the Carter presidency from now. We've had a long time to see just how bad Reagan and the Bushs have been.

I know that, but Carter was dumped in favor of Reagan a mere 6 years after Watergate. That is a catastrophic failure for the Democrats, that after SUCH a massive scandal, the resignation of a Republican president, they managed to lose the presidency after just one term. Bush's misdeeds are on the same level as Nixon's, for sure, but if the Carter experience teaches us anything, it's that that doesn't really matter.