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Monday, April 14, 2008 09:28 AM

@ not as crazy as you

The problem with this article is not that it brings up sexism. Yes, let's talk about sexism, but let's start by talking about real sexism. This article does not discuss any examples of real sexism, in fact it points out a lack of any overt sexism on the part of the alleged sexists (i.e. - liberal, progressive, well-educated men). The charges of sexism are based on their (for some, but not all, intense) dislike of a very unlikeable candidate and their attempts to convince the author and her female friends and colleagues that Hillary is not the right choice for the Democratic Party. Yes there is overt sexism and probably some covert sexism directed towards Hillary in this campaign, but Rebecca made it clear that her article was not addressed to the Rush Limbaugh or Chris Matthews types, on whom we could have a field day. This was directed towards liberal "elitist" men in general (funny how "elitist" is the latest charge Hillary has thrown at Barack Obama).

So, basically you're saying, covert and overt sexism against Hillary is the exclusive purvue of Rush, Coulter & Co., and everyone else who vehemently disliked hillary is doing it for the "right reasons"?

Do you disagree with my assertion that there are some characteristics that people find tolerable or even desirable in male candidates that they don't like in female candidates?

Talk about sexism where sexism can be found, not in broad charges leveled at a demographic that has generally been supportive, if not single-mindedly supportive, of gender equality over at least the last decade.

So you're saying that if the demographic is supportive of gender equality (a dubious assertion, but let's assume for the sake of argument), that demographic can't possibly be sexist?

Monday, April 14, 2008 09:08 AM

@ stackey-dackey

You don't think when black people complain about racism, they aren't dubbed whiners as well! ...But I live in the South, so that's pretty much the go to phraze whenever black folks act all uppity.

Of course it happens. I'd say that the 25% of America that still gives Bush a positive job rating is the same quarter that is still very racist and does not accept that racism exists, racism is bad, racism was created by our country, racism can be remedied in our country, and racism needs to be remedied in our country. I'd also say that most of these people are on the right.

The difference with sexism is that i think it's the inverse -- only about 25% of our country believe that sexism exists, sexism is bad, sexism was created by our country (society?), sexism can be remedied in our country, and sexism needs to be remedied in our country. Even more depressing is that sexism seems to be just as prevalent among left-wingers as it is among right-wingers.

The fact is, the first female president is going to have it rough, campaigning, and running the country. If she can't take it, if her supporters can't take all of the shitty things said and done to her, then she should just go back to the kitchen and make some cookies for her husband.

What does that mean, to "take it"? Never talk about it? Clinton doesn't really complain about sexism all that much, and as far as I know, she doesn't tell Traister what to write. You seem to be implying that Obama's supporters have better fallen into line according to his wishes vis-a-vis not talking about racism.

And for the Obama supporters who are sick of the sexist comments about Hillary, tell those frat "boy" Obamatons to shut their fucking mouths. Get in their faces and say, I might be voting for Obama, but you and I should show the same respect to Senator Clinton as we would any other member of our party. That's what I've said, to anyone who disses Clinton using potty sexist language.

Ah, but then you're a humorless feminazi.

Isn't it great how there's no "legitimate," "good" way to talk about sexism in our culture?!

Monday, April 14, 2008 08:58 AM

@ AncientAssyrian: The fact that Obama may be the best candidate, and the fact that many people dislike Hillary because of sexism are not mutually exclusive

What this article asks every reader to do is to look inside themselves and to explore their feelings on hillary and obama. If you dislike hillary, why? If you are ready to list all of her faults, but can find none in Obama, is that suspect? Is there not something there? If you dislike Obama, why?

How defensive people are about being accused of sexism against Hillary is really interesting.

PS Why i dislike Obama: his religious way of speaking, his goody-goody two-shoes way of campaigning, his cynical presentation of his own powers. He's a lawyer, he knows about the constitution, he knows that the office of the presidency is not allowed in our system to do the things he promises to do without working with Congress. Does he believe his own uniting hype? Then he is a scary megalomaniac. Does he NOT believe his own hype? Then he is a cynical politician.

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