race and gender. to you, apparently of equal weight. Look, simpleton, about 90 percent of blacks vote democrat in presidential contests. only a thickwit would find it remarkable that black Americans show solidarity with someone in whom they can have justifiable pride. You know, someone who's winning the nomination. Women, who you'd like to lump according to their divinely installed plumbing, are more than half the population- and probably the better of the halves (excluding pompous poseurs like you). It is entirely fitting they have a variety of perspectives, and vote for a multiplicity of reasons and from a wide variety of perspectives.

And so it follows that, unlike women, it would not be fitting that black voters "have a variety of perspectives, and vote for a multiplicity of reasons and from a wide variety of perspectives."

Wow. Just wow.

Elite: the best of a class (e.g. an elite entertainer) Webster. Common usage, like common dregs such as yourself, Beav, confuses aristocratic or wealthy with elite.

No, my dear, it seems Webster's and I are confused:

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a singular or plural in construction : the choice part : cream < the elite of the entertainment world

b singular or plural in construction : the best of a class < superachievers who dominate the computer elite — Marilyn Chase >

c singular or plural in construction : the socially superior part of society < how the French-speaking elite…was changing — Economist >

d: a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence < members of the ruling elite > < the intellectual elites of the country > e: a member of such an elite —usually used in plural < the elites …, pursuing their studies in Europe — Robert Wernick >

That's not what it means, despite your frankophilia.

Actually, it is. See above.

The "class", which you utterly lack, in this context would mean politicians. Who are the best at it? Thus, Lincoln.

And is Franklin a "politician," having never run for office? Then Franklin doesn't fit into your list.

Like I said, you can't have them all be in one definition of elite. And Jackson, also from your list, is certainly not "the best" in his class.

Equality? do you want equality? Yes or no? If yes, how does voting for someone based on gender give you equality? Supposed to have nothing to do with the debate. You show your republcain faces when you try it.

How about voting for someone based on their race? 90%+ black people have lined up behind Obama, but women? No such solidarity. Why not? Is it good that women have no such solidarity? Is it then bad that blacks do have the solidarity?

Yeah, I'd say Lincoln, in many estimations, including my own, was as elite as you can get: the best President in our history.

Ah, now you're just changing the definition of elite. Lincoln was self-taught, from very modest means, was never pretentious or beholden to aristocratic or "elite" tastes and mannerisms like Jefferson and Franklin were. You can't call Franklin, Jefferson and Lincoln elitist and fit them all into the same definition of "elite." Sowwy.

And is the rest of your post supposed to be an example of the "merit and humanity" that I lack?

You stay classy, tom payne.

french fried beavor

so clever you are LeCastor bean, to use the french word for beaver while decrying sexism. Tool.

Here, I'll show you a secret:

"While at the Sorbonne, Beauvoir acquired her lifelong nickname, Castor..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_de_Beauvoir

What kind of an idiot are you?!

The prior post was about "elite", dumbass, not President. To call Franklin elite is an understatement.

To call Lincoln elite what exactly?

You probably hate the ladies because you're not the sharpest or most educated crayon in the box, and they're always a step ahead. Sexism is your only refuge to make yourself feel better, kind of like the n-word is for poor whites.

Perhaps it's solipsistic of me, but do women really hate themselves that much? it's hard for me to imagine, but maybe they do, and i just don't know?

Your thoughts?

Dislike is an equal oppurtunity employer.

That's not the specific dislike I am talking about. I dislike some people I know and those in the media, and some of them are women, but I like to think I dislike them for reasons other than their gender, race, ethnic/national, origin, etc. I vehemently dislike Condi Rice, but not because she's a woman or black or American or a Phd or fluent in Russian or a piano player. I dislike her because of her ideas and actions (and inactions, etc).

What I'm talking about, though, is not that specific kind of dislike, but general antipathy towards a group, also known as racism or anti-Semitism or sexism, etc. Jews, with very few exceptions, are generally not anti-Semitic, and blacks are generally not racists against blacks (though it happens once in a while). But what I find in women today, and throughout history too, is that there is a LARGE contingent of women who dislike other women BECAUSE they are women. More specifically, they dislike it when some women try to achieve or fight for something.

Generally, it is conservative women hating on women who want to change the status quo or break a glass ceiling. Just as there were anti-suffragettes in this country, and in Switzerland when that country finally got the right to vote for women in the 1970s, I see large swaths of women today who seem to despise women who want to be CEO or president or do some other traditionally male or very ambitious thing. Caitlin Flanigan and Phyllis Schlafly would be great examples. Other good examples would be the women who opposed the ERA.

It's weird, and I really don't know what it is. My mother has also noticed it, but neither one of us has a good idea what this is based in. I'd love to hear any theories.

Franklin? Was president?

oh that says it all...