Did Wingers read The Ox Bow Incident?--Publican

Even if they didn't or they won't read it, they can catch the movie on Encore Westerns. They play the movie, starring Henry Fonda, quite often.

That's utter bull

I'm quite sure that Ondelette knows that what KSM said might or might not be "utter bull". That was not the point. The point was simply that it was said.

If us Truthers

Please stop using anything and everything for an excuse to make your millionth post about what "us Truthers" have to add.

My "I'll see it my way" statement referenced the motives behind the statements by Reid, Durbin, Kerry, and Murtha.

You are Satan's Scarecrow!

— Old Joe

So if a policeman told you not to stand in the middle of the street because you might get run over, that policeman was motivated to tell you that in order to instill fear in you rather than to just give you useful, point of fact, information?

I don't know what "Satan's Scarecrow" means, but then, why would or should I?

I'll see it mine.

— Old Joe

Torture, Occupation and endless wars have not served as large tools of jihadist recruitment? Is that what "your way" is? Because if so, which you've said that it is, then denying reality is "your way". Who'd a thunk it?

I maintained that the left - Dems - Progs do the same thing and I listed Kerry, Durbin, Reid, and Murtha as those who used military condemnations as a tool to reinforce their arguments that if we continue these wars we will be the cause of increased recruitment into Jihadist organizations and increased attacks - manipulation of fear.

— Old Joe

That's not "manipulation of fear" that is fact. Our "wars" our Occupations and our use of torture and our killing and terrorizing of innocents is an enormous tool of recruitment. There is no doubt about that. As opposed to your Republican leader of the House of Representatives who is crying about using our justice system in the way that it is supposed to be used. I see no comparison between the lies and manipulation of John Boner and the truth telling of Kerry and Durbin. Durbin, by the way, simply said that our torture policy has become the same as the Soviet Gulags. Completely true statement.

If you want to join the likes of John Kerry and Jack Murtha in accusing our military of being terrorists on the basis of Glenn's definition - be my guest.

— Old Joe Read

John Kerry didn't call or accuse soldiers of being terrorists. I'll paraphrase what he said. He said that our soldiers are bursting into the homes of Iraqi families, sometimes in the middle of the night, pointing their rifles at everyone, women and children included, putting their foot on the neck of the male members of the household, and screaming and yelling and tearing things up in search of who knows what.

Now, Old Joe, answer this question honestly. If a bunch of men in War Costumes burst into you and your wife's home and performed all of that, would you be terrified?

This is your opportunity to tell the truth for once. I still can't figure out if you're dumb as a post or a lying sack of dung. Maybe your answer to my question above will help us to sort that out.

Kitt - shame on you for not knowing this stuff.

— Old Joe

I know of all of those bogus lies that you and your Fox and Friends are telling, Old Joe. You continue to have everything FUBARED to suit your nonsense. All of that twisted crap has been debunked as John Boner talking points and lies.

I'm not going to waste time explaining it all to you. The truth has been out since day one of each and every one of those trumped up shitstorms. If you aren't up to speed, which of course you're not, you're on your own. Or maybe someone else will bother with you on this one. I just used up my time correcting you on the Oaths of the President and of Military Personal. Let someone else take a shot at your never ending bone headedness.

Unreality

Our military and political communities are the ones who take the oaths to defend and protect the Constitution and the People....

If the military is directed to defend the Constitution and the People against all enemies foreign and domestic and a foreign enemy is combating with our military - I do not see how the US criminal justice system is applicable.

--Old Joe

Reality

Oath of Enlistment into Military:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Presidential Oath:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Cause otherwise I might just think yer [Old Joe] talking out yer ass.

— 23skidoo

He is so clearly overstuffed with Fox type talking points that he never knows what he's talking about fersher. Just minutes ago he posted that he shouldn't be tossed into the same sewer as John Boner, yet, here he is using the same shitferbrains talkingpoints that John Boner used and continues to use.