Don't forget what a hero Rudy is. Or at least he says he is:

"I was at Ground Zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them.--RG"

Of course, unfortunately for Rudy:

9/11 workers outraged by new Rudy claim

http://tinyurl.com/255ju9

Estimate: Giuliani spent 7 percent of time spent by first responders at Ground Zero

Nick Juliano

http://tinyurl.com/2n82ul

Thanks. I saw everything that you saw and then commented to from the ever so disingenuous sh**ter, but I just didn't have the 'calm' to put it into words. The made up strawman nonsense in that post of his is so lost in the weeds as to be in danger of bursting into a brush fire.

Let us raise some funds

-- Swatopluk

I think that is a seriously good idea. No joke.

Using his status as a "war hero", when it is helpful to one's argument, is as wrong as was the rightwing's attempted apotheosis of David Petraeus.

-- John Manning

While I think the comparison you use, and your absoluteness is overstated and over the top, I do agree with the gist of your vehement disapproval of Webb's vote, and also - with that in mind - of the basis of Glenn's overblown use of Webb's standing as a 'war hero' without consideration of Webb's vote that happens to undermine the Constitution of the United States.

Fat faces, chickenhawks? Fred Kagan would've been just as wrong if he looked like Wesley Snipes and served in the delta force for the last 30 years.

-- abbbb1

Perhaps so, but in reality, it just doesn't work that way. The way that those two men look has an awful lot to do with what a pile of steaming bile they are. If they weren't disgusting pieces of excrement some semblance of human decency would show in their physical personage. Their general obesity is not half the story. I know of and see pictures of people who are far from 'in shape' but that doesn't cause them in and of itself to come off as putrid excuses for human beings. Not at all. So, I think you're missing the point.

John Manning & Kitt ...

While Webb's vote on FISA was bad .. not everyone is perfect ..

-- This Machine Kills Fascists

I wasn't asking that he be perfect. And I wasn't discrediting what he has done and is currently trying to do based on what I pointed out. So, actually, your post to me is not relevant to what I posted. You might want to reread what I wrote and consider the perspective about Webb that I considered.

Come on, Kitt, brother.

"The way that those two men look has an awful lot to do with what a pile of steaming bile they are. If they weren't disgusting pieces of excrement some semblance of human decency would show in their physical personage."

Now, that's just silly, Kitt. C'mon, you know better, I'm sure.

-- abbbb1

No, it's not at all silly. I have posted explanations like that before and I firmly believe it. Do you think Ann coulter is good looking? If not, why not? She's doesn't have many of the usual physical traits that our society generally considers to be in the 'not so good looking' traits. But to me, she is extremely ugly. I believe that she looks that way because of the extremely ugly insides that she carries around with her, which manifest in her physical being.

I suspect that their are studies about this subject, and I very much doubt that what I am saying is "silly" or that I am, by far, alone in saying what I've said.

No, it's not at all silly.

Skin Game Blues

This is an example of what I mean. This man is not a physically beautiful specimen in the opinion of most folks, I suppose. But the Kagans, because of their repulsive attitudes, they repulse me.

This man that I am linking too, I see him as a nice looking man. That is because of the personality that he seems to have, the person that he seems to carry around inside of him. He is a joy to watch.

http://tinyurl.com/2l2pqz

Every argument Kagan makes can be examined on the merits of the argument itself. The fact that Kagan is fat and a chickenhawk is worth a comment, but not a post.

-- abbbb1

Reading comprehension seems to be one of your weak points. Kagan's "arguments" have been examined on their merits. The fact that he is a fat chickenhawk is not mentioned in Glenn's post, and is only mentioned as a sideline fact in the comment posts.

I suppose there are at least two ways to accomplish something like what Webb proposes. First, wipe out the concept of unit. No consistency, no history, no relationships, no personal chain of command. Base group membership solely on time in the field. Interestingly that could completely pull out experienced people and substitute huge amounts of novices in one fell swoop. Oh yeah, that'll be messy.--shooter

As always, you don't know what you're talking about. My brother was in the Navy during Vietnam. He was in Vietnam on a Destroyer when his time of enlistment ended. His fellow crewmen stayed on board ship as he was flown out by helicopter. That's the way it is. They don't all sign up at the same time. They don't all leave at the same time. A simple line of reasoning would tell you that much.