We agree the White House can be written off. 66+290 need to know it will work out alright. I thought maybe a concrete plan, maybe you have a better idea. That's fine, but consensus is the operative word when you need that many votes.

Like I said, the other way out is straight through the fire. It requires negotiating with a sworn enemy, it requires admission of grave breaches. But I think it is the right thing to do, because I think it means spilling less blood. Do you think spilling less blood will be a convincing argument for doing it? I am honestly asking this, I sincerely don't really know.

There have already been concrete plans submitted. That doesn't do any good if the administration and the Republicans are corrupt, and many of the Democrats are either corrupt, stupid or in need of a spine.

You keep coming back with the same argument. I don't know why you think it sounds any different the third time as it did the first time.

Also, I told you and others that "spilling less blood" is nothing but a guess on everyones' part no matter how we go about leaving or staying. That argument is the equivalent of what will happen if I drop acid and go to the beach for the afternoon. I might not make it to the beach. And if I do make it to the beach, I might not know that I'm at the beach while I'm there. Because I am, after all, on acid It's all too unpredictable to pretend that a prediction can be made. All you can do is drop, and then hope for a good day, and that you survive that day to carry on to another day.

I don't disagree. But that isn't 'holding our feet to the fire' since we - or our disgusting current government - treated them like so many doggies in the window making with their sad eyes and cute faces vying for attention.

I've not said that it is irrelevant. I've said that relevancy doesn't move mountains. Moving mountains is what we need. Relevancy is just a tool. A good one, mind you, but as about as useful as 'We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here'. How nice it must be to hear that if you are an Iraqi child. Or an Iraqi of any age. Or any of us who find it to be a reprehensible statement.

To address the specifics of your ongoing question: If we get out, the least of our problems, the least of the world's concerns, will be how and when we finally got out. They will all celebrate today, tomorrow and into the future. In spite of all the reinventing history that the Republicans will partake in with their Wingnut Welfare for years on into the future.

If someone in the international community wants to make a case that we broke laws in the way we got out...So be it. They'd probably have a strong case and we'd probably end up paying another multi billions in fines and restitution. I'll bite that bullet. We deserved it.

It is my opinion that the Bush Adm. , particually Mr. Bolton, treated them - the U.N. and entire international community - with utter contempt.

This is a real problem. Then and now.

regards,

bah.

-- bahhummingbug

I agree. If you thought I didn't then I guess I scrambled my comment.

Is it not true that it was actually his military brethren who nicknamed him Betray-us, and not Moveon? Moveon was just using his already established and well earned nickname?

I agree that the current state of "journalism" as represented by this "interview" is deplorable and outrageous, but do you really need to utilize lewd imagery to make your point? You're better than that, Glenn.

-- hootenatty

Maybe your mind is in the gutter. "From their knees" has long been a phrase relating to sub-servant behavior. Such as slaves pleading with Masser to spare them the whip, and such like that. In this case it refers to a compliant press begging for attention and doing so by repeating whatever Masser tells them to repeat.

"...or will they once again bow to the radical liberals who now seem to be controlling the Democrat Party?”

- - RNC Chairman Robert M. “Mike” Duncan

Why would anyone take seriously someone who has established themselves as 'Chairman' who is too stupid to even articulate an 'ic' sound at the end of Democrat'ic'? Why would anyone take seriously and organization (the RNC) that would have this imbecile as their Chairman and spokesperson?

He's a manly man alright:

He's got legs and lungs to match: just before the war, he finished the Army 10-miler in 63 minutes, a time only the fittest of young men could equal. ("And that was after I hurt my pelvis," he says.)

Read the whole artice.

Quite the trip down memory lane!

-- Paul Dirks

Well, just for the heck of it, I'll take some bragging rights here that will put the General, and that "writer" to shame. I raced a number of 10 mile races in the 55 to 56 minute range. All while I was in my 40's. "Fittest of young men could equal" Puushaw!

Hmmm?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138948,00.html

-- lupercus

Poor, stupid, forever pathetic, shooter.

Whatever

-- barrister89

Your post is a good reminder of why sometimes people here say, "Better trolls, please!"

You've had six years! That was more than enough to defeat Hitler and Japan.

-- Arne Langsetmo

Italy is really going to be pissed at you. They never get any credit anymore for being the 'enemy' too.