Rather than relying on arguments based on a series of facts, and explaining why those facts lead to a conclusion, salonistas will frequently claim to know the motive of their opponent. The most villainous motives are assumed (not proven) and put forward as reasons for the actions of their opponents. In other words, the opposite view is demonic, and any suggestion otherwise is evil . . . sounds like Pat Robertson, doesn’t it?

-- NotOrbitBoy

Yeah, it does. It also sounds like Bill O'Really, Hannity, Malkin, Assrocket, Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, Rove, John Gibson, Dinesh D'sousa, Jonah Goldberg, and you.

And NotOrbitBoy has you all pegged: "I suspect that the lack of criticism is due to bush hatred. . . . None of the salon columnists want to say anything that may play into bush’s hands. The truth, and principles, don’t matter to them. It’s just about getting bush." Wow! I think you've just summed up Glenn's army - that and the fact that they like to post here for mutual stroking.

-- Golden Boy

I'll just never mind the irony about the stroking as Golden Boy strokes Notorbitboy.

And I'll just nevermind the absurdity of the remark that two people who think Islam will take over America think they have "Wow", "summed up" anything ever about anything, much less people here at Salon. Due to the outlandish posts made by Golden Boy and Orbitboy, the two of them have eliminated themselves from consideration in the 'summing up' game.

What I won't pay no never mind to is the absurd statement that "truth and principles" are not the reason why Glenn Greenwald, and most of the people who attend this blog, voice a negative opinion about what the Bush administration has done to the America we once knew. We have good reason for feeling and thinking the way that we do. The facts that back up those good reasons are posted here every single day in abundance. To say or to think otherwise is as foolish as believing that "The Islamists are Coming".

That dusty old turd about about "Bush hatred" is yours, Golden Boy. Not ours.

Why on Earth you and Glenn's Army cannot is, well, your problem. Think about it.

-- Golden Boy

I'm thinking about it...Let's see. Now that I've thought about it I think that not getting behind your insane fears does not compute to a problem for anyone but you. Your insane fears are your problem.

And I see you're continuing with the insults and unseemly debate framing. We're "Bush haters", your mister level headed. We're "Glenn's Army" and you're...what? God? How do you expect to have a conversation with people when you place yourself so vastly high above all others?

Shall we discuss Islamic doctrine or practice first? Both of them are relevant to Glenn's article.

-- Golden Boy

You're not only a bigot but you're a stalker also. She asked you to fob off.

But by and large, the American Foreign Policy Community -- notwithstanding the tragic disaster it has wrought and the untold damage to our country for which it is responsible -- continues to control the terms of our foreign policy debates. They sit around in their extremely well-financed institutions, in their plush conference rooms, debating with each other in the most sterile and technocratic tones about optimal "force deployment packages" and which countries should be bombed and/or invaded next and how the countries we control should be organized and "partioned" and which ones should have their governments changed by the United States.

--GlennGreenwaldG

With 150,000 or so troops in Iraq, who have seen tour after tour of duty, with 200,000 or so "contractors" in Iraq bleeding our tax payers dry, even those tax payers who aren't even born yet, with at least eight billion a month being dumped into the pit called the Iraqi Occupation...does the question, "Where's the money and the manpower going to come from for our next excursion into a next bloody quagmire"? I wonder if such obvious considerations come up in those plush rooms filled extremely well paid blow hards.

I've given this a lot of thought. And, you know, I've decided that I need to or someone needs to come up with a better way to wrap a cube of butter. Maybe use a different kind of paper or something. The paper is difficult to pull away from the cube, and it tends to tear and stick to the butter. Then when you try to peel it off the little torn parts you get butter under your fingernails. It's frustrating.

You realize of course that you are every Conservative's worst nightmare. They absolutely worship a concept called sovereignty. That is unless it belongs to someone else.-- Paul Dirks

You have been loonier than usual lately. Sovereignty is the liberal argument for us not invading Iraq. You know, borders are sacrosanct? Are you having a change of heart, or just got bored and threw a rhetorical filip out for fun?

-- shooter242

Idiot.

Maybe now my 'Butter' post from the last thread would be on topic?

Kitt: I read your butter comment, but all I could think of to write was "just be grateful that you can eat butter!" I don't want to hear any silly complaints from folks who can eat any damn thing they want ...like I used to. ;~)

-- Karen M

I was just goofin' off with the butter comment. All though, the paper really does stick to the cube like I said, and I had just then opened one, so the sticky paper thing was fresh on my mind.

But the real reason I thought to write that is because it has to do with what I've been jotting down sentences and notes about for the Interrobang. My notes aren't about butter. They're more or less about distractions and finding peace of mind while all this craziness is going on.