In the early '80s I worked with an older gentleman who described corporate attitudes toward the ACLU circa the 1950s. He said ACLU reps would go to management to solicit memberships, and that regardless of party affiliation, upper management by and large were members. This was during a time of not insignificant social change, Brown vs. Board of Education, etc.

This all changed with poppa bush, his reference to the "L-word", and his calling Dukakis a 'card-carrying member of the ACLU', kinda like a 'card-carrying member of the Communist Party'. But, of course, bush being c.i.a., he had to rail against the ACLU, after all, they often stand up to the agency abuses.

I can only read with complete disbelief that some of the posters here actually are convinced that the media bias towards Clinton didn't cost Gore the election. Obviously these folks never read the Horse, when he/she was writing, or The Daily Howler. Bob Somersby has the most thorough documentation of the lies and slanders against Gore perpetrated by our most integrous press corps. As jack welch said in an interview, he expected the news department of NBC to support the bottom line of GE, and that meant a repub. govt.

A few 'corrections':

-the Fl election was stolen from Gore due to the MASSIVE voter disenfranchisement conducted by katheryn harris and the state police. Thousands and thousands were prevented from voting, some physically.

-the initial raid on Waco was by the ATF, under ghwb. Clinton basically had no choice but to let the FBI 'finish' it. It wasn't his call originally.

And personally, I could give a crap about the whole monic-thing. I never heard anything in the msm about gwb and condi, or gwb with a dominatrix, although there is plenty of evidence.

For the rich and powerful, someone of Hillary Rodham's status marrying a trailer-trash like Bill Clinton is unforgivable. I think that's where alot of the vile pettiness comes from towards HRC. The media portrayed laura bush as a 'normal', modest person. But she is a Welch, and I'm sure she comes with alot of back-up. I think poppy and sonny bush both married for teh moolah.

I was suggesting at Eschaton at the time that 'we' buy Knight-Ridder, when it was for sale. I would have paid good money to be a 'shareholder' in that endeavor. Now I hear Jeremy suggest a formal 'alternative press', and you concur. Knight-Ridder would have been a good beginning.

She's inhaled too much gorilla pheremone. I swarched, but could not find, the horrible portrait of bill frist which she penned. If someone can dig it up, PLEASE post, because it so embarassingly demonstrative of her inherent sickness.

At a biotech-industry meeting he said he believed in the '3 C's': chemistry, chickens, and cars. While he was gov., statewide embployment by Hercules and DuPont crashed, the automotive industries crumbled, and those chickens polluted the hell out of lower DE, and the refinery put out more soot and SO2 than all of Louisiana, while he hamstrung DNREC, the state environmental agency. He also brought the 'needle' to DE, under the guise of one time for jeff pennell, a serial murderer of prostitutes; only to have DE jump to THE TOP in percapita executions. Crapper is a stupid, corporatist, authoritarian toadie. It was unfortunate that he beat Bill Roth. I've written crapper several times pointing out how he has been wrong on everything (identical voting record to jim cooper), and I always get a corporatist, shaking in his boots, scared of the terrists reply. He has had 'mistress issues' in the past. I sincerely hope he gets a primary challenge, I know that the Progressive Democrats of Delaware are very dissatisfied with him. Hell, I've considered running against him, with no money, just to be able to call him "STUPID" from a posium.

MoveOn and TruthOut perfected those techniques before the election. While TruthOut has backpedaled a little from their obamaworship, having run articles about how it is "impossible to govern from the left", moveon is still a shill for the current administration. These folks were seemingly set up to sucker the left into supporting an anti-bush agenda, while all the time planning a future for themselves which was based on the same absurdities bush made trademark. I remember being told by a guy in spring 1970, during campus disquiet "look to see who emerges the leaders". He knew from which he spoke, having gone through the 1968 riots in Mexicp City. These were the times when gingrich realized how much he liked it behind the microphone; chesney seems like a modern-day gingrich: young, enthusiastic, and unabashedly out for himself, to the point of fascism.

Klein's the stalking horse for a concerted effort to discredit Glenn. They'll be piling on like the brave folks they are, s soon as it's safe, of course. Izzy Envy.

You cut that out! Didn't your mommy ever tell you to not taunt the mentally disadvantaged? Why don't you pick on someone your own size?! Just because someone has no morals doesn't mean you have to point that out for all the world to see. Who do you think you are, peggy noonan?

Actually, I think you're Thomas Paine.

is Code Pink.