Rangel, Murtha and Frank ? Not exactly

the finest examples of leadership! They want to increase our taxes for the war in Afghanistan, after Obama insisted back in March that we needed to be there. (lucky for them, most of their

base doesn't even pay taxes!)

Sounds like the Democrats need to set priorities and get their act together.

This is a symptom of very bad mismanagement and chaos and we should

all be concerned.

Nobody wants the public option. If it passes, Obama will be known as the idiot who allowed an inefficient,

bloated government take over something as important as healthcare.

Its no more incredible for Beck than it was for Obama, with very little experience except for community organizing -- to run for President. And if Obma's declining polls are any indication, people were voting against Bush, against Bush's policies, rather than voting for Obama.

Yeah, can't wait for him to "unveil" his

decision, which took a couple months for

this Harvard/Princeton grad to come up with, by the way. And of couse, that

"lavish" state dinner takes priority too. Don't worry about us taxpayers,

most of us are conservatives, anyway.

With "true" unemployment at 17.5% now, don't you think your "lavish" state dinner may just be a tad inappropriate, considering the economic climate, eh?

This is what the Democratic purity test would look like:

1) "for" any and all Entitlements

2) predator instinct: always on the lookout for people you consider "weak",

"downtrodden", "misunderstood", so you can pretend to help them through your entitlement programs

3) anti-business

4) anti-southerners

5) anti-anyone who is not dependent on you

6) pro-abortion: and force taxpayers to pay for it, too

7) believe deficit is a good thing

8) rob from Peter to pay Paul

9) don't pay your taxes

10) entertainers, comedians, hollywood-types, community organizers

This is what happens when you elect someone with no experience for president, someone elected on their popularity alone, or based on the book they wrote about themselves.

Everyone watching is thinking, "he's not doing anything special... I can do just as good, if not better".

Americans want real reform, real solutions.. not a band-aid/public option/government takeover.

After all these years of talking about reform, the Democrats have

nothing to show for it. That means the wrong people are working on reform, and they're obviously not listening to us--

because we don't want the public option.

Neither of the bills get to the root of the problems: costs. They have not solved any problems; they put a band-aid over it. Typical government stupidity.

palin 2012: Conservatives and republicans Have indeed suggested better ways to reform healthcare and reduce costs:

1) create "true" competition for health

insurance companies by allowing us to buy health insurance across state lines;

2) torte reform

These ideas are very straightforward but they will have more impact on reducing costs.

You have to reduce costs First before

you can cover more people.

If health insurance premiums are not reduced soon for individuals and small business -- we will only have more people foreclosing on their homes and businesses filing bankruptcy.

The Democrats attempt at healthcare insurance reform is a Disaster. After

40 years of "talking" about it, "you'd

think" they'd get to the root of the problem, wouldn't you? They wasted their time on politics instead of solving problems for American people.

tailwind: you're stereotyping. Conservatives and Republicans are no more religious than Democrats are all flaky left-wingers. I'm conservative, but I'm definitely not religious and I'm not from the south, either.

Conservatives are for less government;

fiscal responsibility, strong defense, free market. I personally am ok with regulating the markets.

hope and change, change and hope......

I'd like for someone to explain how it "reduces the deficit"?! This is

deceptive and misleading. I believe this administration, with their propaganda and their pattern of re-naming things to make them sound better-- are even worse than the villains they claim they're protecting us from.

Whatever this convoluted mess is, it certainly should not be called healthcare reform. This is one area where more "dithering" or "delaying" is needed. Or maybe our leaders need to bring in experts if they can't do a satisfactory job themselves. Passing a sub-standard bill that doesn't address the key issues just for the sake of passing "something" is an insult to Americans.

to dwg: Medicare has Not reduced or controlled costs-- Fixing costs and reducing costs are not the same.

And, the insurance companies only pass the costs along, they have no bearing over what the costs are, either.

We need real experts who can manage the supply chain. If every hospital or doctor's office is buying equipment and supplies from their local medical supplier, I guarantee they're paying through the nose! The medical industry is one of the last industries to embrace

supply chain management, and every manufacturer and supplier is taking advantage of them as a result.

We still need to open up interstate commerce to buy insurance across state lines to keep the insurance companies

on their toes, too.

And we need torte reform.