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Saturday, September 15, 2007 04:36 PM

Don't we wish it was over ...

While that web site might think it's a joke - the problem is real enough - even in the US, where this testimony was heard this week in a Utah court:

ST. GEORGE - Jane Doe felt so "dirty and used" after having sex the first time with her husband she retreated to a bathroom, curled up on the floor and bawled.

"I felt like a horrible person," she said. "I didn't understand why he had done what he had just done."

Doe, who was then 14, had been married to her 19-year-old cousin earlier by polygamous sect leader Warren S. Jeffs. She put off her husband's sexual advances for weeks.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6902425

Got any ideas on how to actually turn that around ? It's been going on for quite some time there, and not only with these 'FLDS' members.

BTW, Jeffs defense is that the 'husband' didn't follow the sect's 'teachings'.

Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:47 PM

My Favorite Martians

Just because a few crackpots in Utah believe in something doesn't mean it's a serious problem in this country.

-- kansasgirl

Actually I think you'll find that the majority of polygamous sects/members are to be found outside the borders of Utah. Here's a chart rendering of some of them:

CHARTING POLYGAMY LEADERSHIP Splinter groups have embraced polygamy and branched out to communities in Utah, Montana, Arizona, southern Canada and Mexico. (A 2.3 mb PDF file download)

http://extras.sltrib.com/specials/polygamy/PolygamyLeaders.pdf

But her testimony is so obviously lies. ... A 14 year old should at least know what sex is. ...

- Allie_

Jane Doe also said that she did not know sexual relations were necessary to have a baby.

The Defense Questions Jane Doe http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/2006/12/defense-questions-jane-doe.htm

I don't ever remember any loose dogs in Utah when I lived there years ago.

I know it's hard to believe here in the land of iPods that any form of sheltered existence can occur at this time, but when you are constantly taught the following and forced to wear those granny dresses, possibly this disconnect you think is lies may be easier to understand:

ST. GEORGE - As a young girl, Jane Doe was taught there was a high price for disobeying her religious leaders: Loss of heavenly salvation.

The consequences of disobedience were driven home by polygamous sect leader Warren S. Jeffs in school lessons, church sermons and personal interviews, Doe said.

"The prophet was a God to us, God on Earth," she said, and his counselors were the same.

"We were to follow them obediently as though we were led by a hair," she said, a hair that if snapped would cause them to "forfeit our chance at an afterlife."

Doe took the stand for about an hour Thursday afternoon as the state's first witness in its case against Warren Jeffs Trial, Day 1

Jeffs, leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He is charged with two counts of rape as an accomplice.

...

Jeffs' supporters and jurors alike listened intently as Doe talked about attending Alta Academy, the private school once operated by the FLDS church. Jeffs was the principal and taught classes there, she said.

In many lessons he instructed girls about their proper roles and duties as wives.

Young people were taught that dating and intimacy before marriage were inappropriate. Girls and boys were to treat each other "as though they were snakes," she said. "There was nothing permitted romantically."

She said she received no instruction on maturation or sexual intimacy.

"That would be taught to us by our husbands," she said.

Washington County Attorney Brock Belnap previewed Doe's testimony in his 15-minute opening statement. He emphasized Jeffs' position of authority and constant teachings on the dutiful and obedient behavior expected from women.

He made repeated references to Doe's age and to her "adult husband." Belnap also focused on Doe's numerous objections to marrying her cousin, a man she despised.

When Doe learned who she was to marry, she went to then-FLDS leader Rulon T. Jeffs, got on her knees and begged that it not happen, Belnap said.

But Jeffs, then a first counselor in the FLDS church, told Doe "her heart was in the wrong place and she had a duty to go forward," Belnap said.

Doe was told that "entering the Celestial Law of Marriage was the most important thing she could do with her life," Belnap said. And being married to a "righteous priesthood man" was the only way for her to get to heaven.

"She also learned that she was to keep sweet," Belnap said.

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_6890819

This philosophy, religion and practice is not in any danger of going away. It's just as strong now as it was 30 years ago when I first ran into Mr. Jeff's father - Rulon. Who was, barring this aging twisted, crackpot philosophy a much more interesting person than found in the majority of the Utah populace.

Unfortunately it appeared that the charming weasel gained his power by denying it to women of all ages.

And therein lies the rub that the website glosses over with that parody of commerce.

Isn't it just possible that this young woman is attempting now in her own culturally-limited way to reclaim ?

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