been writ since I last posted yesterday. I read some of the arguments, and YES bigguns, I am off my game this week. Laziness setting in since I got this week off due to Hurricane Ike.

I can say one thing that wraps up some of this.

The aforementioned Norah Vincent, said author of book ripping women for being bitches in dating, went on a number of dates with a number of women while she was dressed as a man.

She concluded that WOMEN are bitches when it comes to dating and that men have to put up with a heck of a lot of ABUSE from the women in order to POSSIBLY get some affection from these women. She concluded that were she a man, she would never date women and she can understand why a man would not want to date women.

Notice, her conclusion seems to imply that ALL women are like this in the dating scene.

Yet, we all know the realistic way to interpret her conclusions are that MANY women which she was mutually attracted to acted in these ways. This is different, because it implies that there is a pattern of abuse, of women playing to expectations, of knowing the crap they can get away with.

I am sure Vincent probably had a few delightful dates with women too, but her conclusion about how nasty women LARGELY are on the dating scene is pretty damning, precisely because she is applying the same level of criticism she would have lodged against MEN had she been dating them as a woman.

So for all the supposed boorish behavior of men, women seem no better, but in different ways.

The clever person will see that much feminist braying is just pointless female chest thumping-- the implication that since men do not act like women on dates, that therefore women are superior to men.

We all know this sort of zero sum game one upsmanship by feminists is being discredited in recent years as feminism has become a TABOO term in our language, stuffed full of negative connotations, LARGELY FEMINIST SELF INFLICTED.

Good luck trying to prove that these "fatties" in spandex leggings dressed in that manner in order to interrupt your own personal, private reveries. Let's try to stay within the bounds of reality.

Which only underscores my point that it is the men always on the defensive. The women can do as they please. Maybe I am suggesting it is time for men to rethink the boundaries of what we allow women to do and what we allow them to upbraid us for. After all, who elected them God?

Are you seriously equating this with someone, say, taking pictures of your crotch when you're not looking? Do you have any sense of social boundaries, or is anything fair game to you when two people interact with each other in public?

You only see things as defined in the present by WOMEN and women alone. We men have allowed women to define the public sphere. Again, maybe it is time to rethink this, because it seems women openly criticize everything men do, but the reverse seldom occurs, and even then, trogs like you even try to thwart what little defining men do engage in.

Got any evidence that in this particular case, the woman courted this kind of attention? And just how many redhead skanks DO you know, by the way? Just curious.

She knew exactly what she was doing because of the way she was looking at my friend, as he described it. But if she had not, you sound like you just came in from Jupiter if you doubt women do such things in the first place.

it is a peculiarity of my personal upbringing, but from my youth, I was surrounded by messages that men are all bad brutes who need to be trained to be acceptable to women and that the women were largely good but put upon.

As I grew up, I found just the opposite to be true.

Indeed, many of the men I know are being abused in myriad ways by the women in their lives. The women divorce arbitrarily even if he is a good man-- the men suffering the shock of the disconnect. The women do not know how to be civil in the marriage, constantly making assinine, selfish demands. Here is a funny one: many of the so called 'feminists' I know are looking for sugar daddies (that one shocks me in its combination of ballsiness and hypocrisy-- I thought feminism was about destroying or irrelevating all men from women's lives)

Again, maybe the world is filled to the rafters with bad men and good women, but in my personal experience with hundreds of people in my decades long sample, it seems the message for boys is "you are lucky we did not suffocate you in your crib, you evil beast" and the message for women is "do as you will because men are worth nothing anyway". The media portrayal of men and women continues to MATCH this model I grew up with.

And yet, once again, the reality as it plays out today is that the men are mostly hapless and looking for someone to love and trust and the women are skanking around, acting JUST like the asshole sociopathic bastard men they SO adore and are probably fucking behind the good men's backs to this very day.

Just saying, something does not stack up between the model society presents and the reality being played out.

Sorry if my wanting to straighten out this disconnect bothers your liberal feminist model of "men=bad, women=good".