Your points get lost in ridiculous contradictions which forces me to believe you go after exactly the women you claim to loathe then project their behaviors onto all women you call feminists.

I have gone for a mix of women, some of whom I wanted who WERE into the bad boys and could not bear to look away from that target, and some who were into men REGARDLESS of whether they were bad boy men or not. I have had enough girlfriends to know there are women clever enough to see through bad men.

Which brings up a different point. Many of these women STILL expect their boyfriend to do the he-man tough guy routine. They often get turned off when he acts vulnerable or cries or does things considered unmanly by these women's internal expectations.

So men are often trapped in these narrow roles by the women around them. I often think of that alt-rock song about the guy being too heavy for his girlfriend.

But that whoole argument is for another day.

I don't think you know real feminists, I think you only know characitures and want the women who like the freedom feminsim gave them but are still too lazy and selfish to do anything other than figure out a way to get a man to pay for their life.

Well, if steeped in feminist women for thirty odd years STILL does not qualify one to know feminists, then what would?

Sure, there are some good women out there, but most women play put one of a subset of charicatures in life, feminist or not. Just as most men fit into charicaturable ruts too. Few people are self aware enough to be free of expectations and easy outs.

Rereading my post you emphasized made me realize that when I myself DID reach that realization that women are programmed to buy 'bad' in their men, be it genuine or faux, it made me lose quite a bit of respect for women.

I had been raised to have a lot of respect for women, so it was sad to see that naivete fall away.

but there is a catch. Something called VOTERS.

I just wish there were a candidate supporting average MEN'S rights for once.

I said A V E R A G E men, not CEOs and military leaders. Average men are the people thrown under the bus by society in its zeal to constantly grant women more and more rights without also demanding responsibilities in return.

and AMERICAN WOMEN like the plague.

Who needs to constantly be JUDGED and REJECTED???

If women had to date women in order for the human race to continue, you can damn well believe it would not last a GENERATION.

Norah Vincent enlightened all of us in her great book when she described the horrors she encountered when, dressed as a man, she dated a string of women, each one more horrid than the last.

Men, abandon the American women. The world is FULL, CHOCK FULL, of women who actually LIKE men and are willing to be more forgiving.

That, or whoever you do date, criticize her just as mercillessly.

They will eventually get the message.

But then this is why the bad boys are the ONLY ones getting laid. They know how to get in, get down, and get the fuck out before they tire in the eyes of the JUDGERS.

The irony is that if ALL men judged women as harshly as women judged men, you can bet it would be weeks before women just caved and went berzerk.

reading all the responses back at this man hating tirade of an article.

basically, the lists of don't can be played to death by both sexes.

So is THIS how women in America want relationships to occur? As escalating finger pointing hate fests?

Again, why? And why should guys put up with it? Your pusses are not THAT exclusive.

No wonder guys have a tough time taking women seriously when drivel, such as this article points out, is what passes for adult discussion about dating.

begins telling me her lists of what turns her off during dates.

Of course, the irony is that she is some combination of repulsive habits herself.

I could go on with lengthy lists of unforgivable things women engage in, but I'll spare y'all

one reason why I find so many American women unsexy.

I LOVE smart women, but most women seem to stoop to act more stupid and vapid than the next girl.

Is there some school that teaches women to act this way?

IS this a form of torture?