Just to restate the obvious

The politics of abortion would be vastly different if men got pregnant.

whenever WOMEN have the chance to form policy, they act irresponsibly and selfishly.

the same most definitely CANNOT be said for men.

most laws discriminate equally against women and men. Indeed I would argue women get off scot free in many cases where men are treated as criminals, for instance where women defraud men within marriage.

So, how would you explain this contradiction between the LIE you stated and the reality that, if anything, men are harsher on each other than even on women?

You have a political row to hoe, this much is known. Does not excuse your advocating MURDER.

If you're talking about a three-month fetus that's aborted, you're absolutely correct. It doesn't even survive seconds. After all, it's only three inches long and weighs mere ounces.

I said a three month old BABY.

There isn't any law that I know of that requires a parent whose children are already born to provide blood, bone marrow, a kidney or anything else even though without that contribution the child has ZERO chance of surviving. We leave those decisions up to the parents involved.

I said murdering the BABY.

offer quite vivid evidence of how the left is consumed by hatred, arrogance and selfishness, which is why the left is marginalized by so many.

did nobody ever teach you people integrity or morality? is that stuff considered 'fringe' or 'evil'?

you say abortion is legal.

SO WAS SLAVERY.

you say only 1% of abortions occur after the 21st week.

ONLY 1% OF PEOPLE ARE MURDERED, SO WHY PURSUE MURDERERS AT ALL?

you say Tiller did good things, like save women's lives.

SO, IF A RAPIST IS ALSO A PHILANTHROPIST, HE SHOULD BE FORGIVEN FOR RAPING WOMEN THEN, NO?

If the left thinks it is doing something right, it is deluded. Everyone sees you people for what you are, opportunistic identity politics clowns.

Certain things are right if certain people do them for certain reasons, but not others, only which YOU people will decide.

Your positions are thus erratic and unsupportable. The fact that abortions is not limited is only a historic ABBERRATION which will soon be corrected.

yet I never hear you women talk about rape in a balanced manner, it is always considered bad, rather than looking at it balanced, where, for instance, it might be considered the pathetic or sad thrash at a man having some semblance of power in his life for instance by utilizing rape as a tool, as sick as that might be.

So if you want balance from the right, then begin to attempt to do the same.

I feel bad for you Joan, because you did go in a bit naive. You were not the head of the debate team in college, I gather. Yet O'Reilly has become a pretty good debater, one who understands the point to be made.

Then again, I do tend to side with his side because I, being a Catholic at core, DO believe it is just plum wrong to abort after a certain point, (unless the mom or child is at risk).

The problem is not Tiller aborting babies to save moms, the problem is that that was not ONLY what he did. He also, arguably, took on cases where the child NOR the mom were at risk.

Would you consider a rapist INNOCENT if in some cases he raped women who were initially willing to play along? NOPE, you would damn him for the few cases where he raped clearly against a girl's will.

Tiller may have done right, as I would agree, saving a mother who might otherwise die if not for the late term abortion. BUT he also did wrong, according to all accounts.

WRONG in this case means MURDER.

Murder is wrong, I think we can all agree.

He is a MASS MURDERER in other words. I do not know why this reality seems to bypass the left, except that conveeeenience an selfishness is the only rule of the day.

In which case, please accept that rapists should ALSO have the right to rape at will because it is convenient to them and because it allows them to be selfish.

I do not think I exaggerate. Both sides are shrill, but you are fooling yourselves if you think most of society is on YOUR SIDE.

Even hyper liberal Sweden stops abortions after the 18th week. If only we were as CIVILIZED, maybe the edge to their arguments might be lost.

I do not believe convenience should be the only criterium, unless of course you ALSO grant me, as a male, the SAME privilege. Which you will not, since the left is ONLY all about hatred of men and granting more and more goodies to women.

albeit one that is totally dependent on the mother.

A baby OUTSIDE of the mother has ZERO chance of surviving more than a couple of days.

Since when is aborting a 3 month old baby legal?

Oh, it is not illegal? I see.... So women have this magic quality which makes men's mind mush and gives women the right to kill babies, as long as they are inside the womb, huh?

sure sounds like you lefty men are somehow not put together right