bfree4me:

It's rather nice here in India where I am, despite considerable poverty all round (things are getting rather better these days, and many of us very much hope that we shall be able to install a real democracy in our nation before too long).

Things would be very much better right now if only our present leaders (Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Sonia Gandhi, others) weren't so busy sucking up to war criminal GW Bush and his gang of thieves and scoundrels. The Indian government government may well fall soon - because it has entered into a nuclear deal with GW Bush and Gang: the 'left' parties that were supporting our government are manoevring to withdraw their crucial support; the right parties in opposition opposed the nuclear deals but only because they want to embarass this government. Alas, the fall of this government will NOT be on account of principle, because it is cozying up to war criminals.

The ONLY international leader I've heard of who stood up to GW Bushe on the issue of criminal coduct was Nelson Mandela, but alas he was not President of S. Africa when GW Bush went to visit there. As you probably know, Mandela refused to meet GW Bush because of his war criminality. But the de facto leaders of S. Africa at the time sucked up to GW Bush just as enthusiastically as did our India leaders, alas.

In your P.S., you ask me to share my secrets, if I have any such, of how to get control of our government here. I shall happily indicate how this could be done, if you would care to join a group called "Towards Democracy" which I conduct at YahooGroups and you should be able to apply it to your situation in the US. (There are no real secrets, it's all at the fundamental level just plain and simple 'common sense' - which happens to be a rather uncommon sense). I can't share any 'real secrets' with you here for two reasons: one, there are no real secrets; two, there is a 'process' involved that requires a (very) little easy learning - which I guess you might loosely describe as a 'secret' of sorts; along with a fair bit of 'unlearning', which I must warn is never easy to do!

The process involves discussing matters using a small extension to our normal 'prose mode' of communication (which we are forced to use here) - I call this extension by the name 'prose + structural graphics'. (In some of my previous messages, I have described some of the deficiencies of prose, that render communication in prose unsuitable for the develoopment of effective action planning on any complex issue - and overthrowing a tyrannical government - which still has considerable support because people are too lazy, too scared, too fatted to act on principle - is a VERY complex matter indeed). Some software is also available at that group which renders the application of that process not as tiresome as it is without software. With or without software, I must warn you that this is by no means an easy easy thing to do. (I hope quite soon to have a website at which I could make this process rather easier to apply than it is at YahooGroups. If Salon could provide the needed facilities, I'd be happy to do this right here).

Best wishes, see you at "Towards Democracy" if you are really interested. --GSC

Gary Owen:

Thanks for your response.

Actually, you have a much 'freer' (if that's a correct word for it) press than the press in many countries. We have a pretty free press in my country. With discussion groups such as these, we have a fair degree of freedom. Please see my response to b4me, just sent out, to check out some practical means to get over the difficulties we face in any such projects.

All my questions still remain.

Best - GSC

Forget about Petraeus. Just put the War Criminal/Masseur-in-Chief (GW Bush) and his whole real Gang in jail. Petraeus is just a paid soldier, so he will do whatever his political master tells him. Problem solved when GW Bush is jailed...

GSC