Whether the electronic voting was accurate in this case is irrelevant IMO. The fact that our votes are counted by private companies with proprietary programs, is a disgrace and anti democratic . Similar to the telecom apologists saying, if you haven't done anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. Forgive me if eight years of "trust us" makes me a little less sanguine about this .

Just got up from a pool of my various body fluids. I was reading something, that I could swear, claimed that the WSJ and Washington Post had taken their noses out of King George's ass for the first time in eight years. The room started spinning and then fade to black.................

"One cannot coherently sanction or even acquiesce to serious government lawbreaking and then feign outrage over illegal torture and other war crimes"

Glenn, you have omitted the first step in this bad acid Kabuki. Before they can feign outrage, they become outraged at anyone who would suggest we are capable of doing such things. Usually, once it has become an established fact, these same people spout incoherent rationales , which are usually no more than variations on everybody else does it. They never explain, why they work so hard to defend actions that we are incapable of committing. Keep the faith.

No matter how exquisite the argument, it can't hit a moving target or ears with ideological muffs on them. This notion that any people are monolithic in their thinking is truly bizarre. Paradoxically, I have always felt that if anything is going to rekindle the embers of anti semitism in this country, it will be the neocons and their bellicose polemicists- propagandists,

I saw this comment posted on the web that elegantly defines the current dynamic:

"The American people desperately don't want to believe that they're being led by a madman, and by a criminal troupe that should be prosecuted under RICO, and then again for outright treason. They don't want to, and the press and Congress don't act like it's true. "

I thought about this, when reading the interview with Mr. Drogin. The short of it is ,there are those of us who believe that the invasion of Iraq was a foregone conclusion and a decision made at the highest levels of government, long before 9/11 and the same people who conceived it ,used the organs of the government to fit a rationale which, even at this late date , like the 500 lb gorilla in the room, goes unidentified as the non-sequitur that it ,still is.

Mr. Drogin, represents the camp that believes and wants us to believe, that this was, a well intentioned and noble cause gone bad. Mistakes were made.

After extensive reading on the subject ,and having lived through this nightmare, the jury in my camp has returned with a guilty verdict. Now, I make no claims to omniscience but it is my CONVICTION, which I have never been more comfortable, and less doubtful in expressing publicly. I also believe, that I'm not alone in this conviction, anymore than Mr. Drogin is in his but I'm at a loss to understand how our Republic can survive, so divided, over its institutions legitimacy or lack thereof.