Didn't ask you to.

You said 'Republican leaders' - I agree. Let's see every elected Republican, every Fox news anchor and every 'shock jock' condemn this and say it was unjustified. That's all.

They don't need to admit they might have incited it. If they were among those saying how they were being 'persecuted' by that FBI report earlier this month saying this might happen, they don't have to own up that a 'credible risk' has become an actual act of domestic terrorism and the FBI have been proved right, and they proved demonstrably wrong. They don't even have to call it what it is, terrorism, even though there are those amongst them that have had Muslims dragged from planes or arrested at Disneyland because they assume a couple of Muslims talking to each other is a terrorist conspiracy.

Every. Republican. Leader. That's all. Not their voters or viewers. Just the leaders.

There's stuff all over the wires about 'pro-life groups fear a backlash'.

It would not be a backlash, it would be a 'response'. If someone installs a burglar alarm after they've been burgled, it's not a 'backlash'.

It's a perfectly valid political viewpoint that the law should be changed to make abortion illegal. That's not a viewpoint I agree with, but people are, and should be, free to express it.

Use, incite or support violence in support of that viewpoint and it's terrorism.

Those of us who think abortion should remain legal need to draw the same distinction. But we need to make sure that we don't excuse people on the wrong side of the line - anyone who donates money to a 'pro-life' organization (including churches) that incites or condones this act is aiding and abetting terrorism, just as any member of a mosque that sends funds to Hamas is.

We need to decouple the abortion debate from the violence - and the only way for that to happen is for every pro-life politician, pastor, presenter and columnist to state that, yes, they condemn it.

If they don't wanted to be lumped in with this murderer, the onus is on them to distance themselves from him, and state categorically that it was an unjustified, immoral act.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ZzTSMfjbUlsJ:www.operationrescue.org/pray-in-may-to-end-aboriton-wichita-ks-may-17-20-2007/+%22scott+roeder%22+kansas&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

... but someone with the same name as the suspect posted

to the Operation Rescue boards in the last couple of weeks,

naming Tiller.

Press photographs of Roeder's car show that he had a piece of paper on the passenger seat with the name Cheryl Sullenger and her phone number. There's a Cheryl Sullenger who is a senior policy adviser for Operation Rescue, she's served time for the attempted bombing of an abortion clinic.

Roeder had a new gun and wants bail. He has listed assets of $10. Someone bought him the gun, he thinks someone will raise bail.

Of all the stupid right wing talking points recently, this is the most stupid.

Yes, as you say, both were horrible. What are you arguing, though? That until Salon gives an exactly equal number of column inches to both that they shouldn't mention either? And you're equating the two ... so you concede that these right wing Americans are terrorists?

Me too.

The Amish are great people, and tend to be honest and open and welcoming. They're strict about their religion ... but they have a belief system that's very clearly defined and not even slightly hypocritical and which emphasises all the stuff that the crazy loon evangelicals conveniently ignore.

This article did strike me as 'laugh at the different people for being more like us than we thought'. Eh ... pick on the people who caused the problem, not the ones who are suffering (a bit) from the results.

I loved Back in Black, and I hope she can put her troubles behind her and get back into the studio soon.

Yes, but we shouldn't make partisan hay with this. For every Republican senator who gets his billionaire casino owning parents to give his ex-mistress $100,000 in cash, there must surely be three or four Democrat senators who did exactly the same. I mean, it's just such a normal everyday thing, isn't it?

I'm guessing half the people reading this have done the same.

There is a middle ground, and it's the same as it is in, say, Northern Ireland, and it's this:

People are entitled to any view they like, they are entitled to express it in any way they want. The moment they break the law, they get arrested, the moment they commit a violent crime in the name of their cause, they are treated like terrorists.

Tiller's murderer is a terrorist. He should be charged, tried and punished as such. Those who supported him should be raided and questioned. Cheryl Sullenger of Operation Rescue, for example. Her phone number was in his car, he'd posted anti Tiller statements on their website. If they were complicit, they're guilty of aiding a terrorist.

That *is* the compromise. That *is* the moderate position.

For Christ's sake - we know the Republicans are going to take credit for Obamacare when it works, so instead of taking Republicans seriously and ending up with Katrinacare or Welcomedasliberatorcare or Torturecare why not just make a health care system that works, then laugh at them?