This may be the dumbest sideshow this woeful primary season has seen yet. Y'know, there MUST be some policy-related aspect of the campaign that the media could be fretting over today, than whether or not Kantor voiced unpleasant things about Hoosiers. Give me a fucking break.

Well, we shall see.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light, Cythera.

It will avail you none come November, when that black man you so despise is elected the 44th president of these United States.

On the bright side, you can start stockpiling your sad, sick vituperation for his 2012 re-election bid.

Yes, Obama is "imploding so horribly" that Clinton supers are defecting to him.

Enjoy your stay in Fantasyland. Don't drink the water.

"The poll you're hanging your hat on is an outlier."

The poll *I'M* hanging my hat on. Weren't you the one who posted it as some sort of silver bullet?

At any rate, as I've already said, white working-class defections in the primary have no utility whatsoever in the general. Besides, I have every confidence that both Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton could win in November, as could my neighbor's three-legged dog, against John McCain.

Keep trollin'.

If you're going to try to scare me with a TPM post everyone's already seen, at least do the courtesy of posting the whole thing:

"On the other hand, this poll has another piece of information that would show Obama to be at least as strong a general-election candidate as Hillary: He wins 52% of independents against John McCain, while she wins only 44%. The actual top-lines are very similar."

So, we're talking about working-class whites in the PRIMARY only. And, while you seem unable to internalize this, Sen. Obama has had the Democratic primary sown up since Wisconsin.

Heh. I stop by here out of curiosity and, yep, it's the same sad bunch of Clinton deadenders, spewing for the same old bile. What are you people going to do, when Clinton is forced to close up shop? Heck, what are y'all going to do in January, when Obama is inaugurated. Start stocking canned goods, I suppose.

C'mon, now, has it really come to linking to Michael Savage? Oh well, I guess the trendline has been in evidence since January.

ShawnWM, nobody cares if you decide to up and leave the Democrats, or that you're bringing your checkbook. You may not have noticed this, but Obama doesn't have any trouble raising money via small donations without you.

Cythera, you've already outed yourself as a self-proclaimed Republican, so pretty much anything you have to say is null and void. Then again, it already was, since most of your comments are ad hominem inanities.

KateTex, you've been sticking to the same sad set of talking points, in full defiance of reality, for months now. Hey, it's your world -- color it as you wish. But don't expect the rest of us to buy into your alternate reality.

I must say, the way Salon's been going over the course of this election, I'm not surprised the forums are mostly reduced to the hard-core Clinton trolls. See, Joan Walsh, what you've wrought?

I see Saintzak's already posted it, but this is worth a read:

http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/hillarys-gay-problem.html

Basically, Sen. Clinton is doing her "little-boy-in-sombrero" schtick once more. In other words, she panders wildly and even somewhat cravenly to the gay and lesbian community in the gay press, but otherwise completely ignores them, as if LGBT folk are just a niche market, no more, no less.

Sen. Obama, on the other hand, has gone out of his way, as he did in the PA concession speech, to bring up gays and lesbians in "mainstream" speeches, in order to emphasize once again that we're all in it together.

Not that I'd expect anyone here at Salon to pick up on that.

Strangely enough, Blumenthal's fellow Clinton deadender, Sean Wilentz, wrote this exact same article in this week's TNR. (Wilentz's news-peg is the end of Reaganism, but the reasoning is basically the same.)

Notwithstanding that I find it hard to take either of these guys seriously anymore, is this end-of-the-GOP argument news to anyone? The Republicans have been on their last legs for several years now, at least going back to the 2006 midterms.

While I'm glad conservatism's misfortune is now obvious to all, that doesn't make stating it over and over again in print any more interesting.

Softdog's post deserves a star too. Y'all are on fire tonight.

In a perfect world, joemartin64's last post would get a star.

Here, alas, not going to happen.

Either way, this thing is either over May 6 or June 3. Articles like this, and Shapiro's earlier today, are frankly imbecilic.

Uh, what are you talking about? Better take another look at those exit polls, Shapiro.

Or just let Rural Votes do the work for you: http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1105

You're presuming that any Obama supporter actually thought we'd win tonight. We didn't. The writing's been on the wall for six weeks. See: http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=888

You know what else the wall says? Clinton is done, and has been since Wisconsin. I'd rub it in further, but, as you yourself finally admitted, you're really just a McCain voter here to stir the pot.

In any case, it'll be fun to watch your candidates of choice lose this year -- the first one in a few weeks, and the other in November. What, then, will you troll about?

Those 90 year old women will have a chance at seeing a woman president in their life time. Go Hillary, Go :-)!

Uh, no, sorry, those nonagenarians are totally S.O.L. No point in giving them "false hope."

Now, 90-year-old African-American voters...they're in the catbird seat.

I applaud the attempt, but you're wasting your fingers. Cythera45 & KateTex are the very models of bad faith Clinton trolls around here.

Although at least you got Cythera to admit she's GOP. Not that we all hadn't figured it out.