"Titled "Faith. Hope. Change," the flier has Mr. Obama standing at a church pulpit with a cross prominently displayed in the backdrop. It features a quote from the candidate: "My faith teaches me that I can sit in church and pray all I want. But I won't be fulfilling God's will unless I go out and do the Lord's work.""

At this point, Katetex, I'm starting to think you're deeply ignorant of American history. Obama is referring in that pamphlet to -- and attempting to revive -- the century-old tradition of the Social Gospel (see Walter Rauschenbusch, Father John Ryan, Rerum Novarum, etc.), in which committed Christians joined with progressives to push forward a left-leaning agenda in this country.

In other words, Obama is making two arguments with that pamphlet:

1. He's not a Muslim. He's a Christian (sadly necessary, in no small part to enabling efforts by the Clinton campaign on this front.)

2. The truly Christian thing to do is to help one's fellow man and woman and to make this world a better place. He's rebutting the argument that the GOP thrive on, that the only Christian thing to do is vote Republican and wait for the rapture, when all of your hateful neighbors will burn in Hell. (See Bill Press's HOW THE REPUBLICANS STOLE CHRISTMAS -- it'll lay it out for you.)

Obama isn't casting himself as a messiah. He's trying to broaden the appeal of our party, as is his general message.

Harvard-educated, KcM! Big deal!

That was my point to Milton, who first brought it up. Who really cares where you went to school? One's argument should stand on its own merits.

Nice try at an ad-hominem, though.

You kinda lost in a thicket of lousy analogies at the start there, but your basic points seems to be this:

"“Do The Math,” Do the Math,”………What is this, a parlor game? When you play Blackjack, or to be more politically correct, 21, you “Do The Math.” In politics, you do the public’s wishes."

Shooter, most of the public has already spoken -- that's how Obama has an insurmountable lead in the pledged delegates. You can ignore this fact if you wish, but don't be surprised when the end comes for Sen. Clinton. The math -- which is based on the wishes of the public -- is now inexorable.

Finally, just as a rhetorical point, you'd sound more convincing if you referred to "Barrack" as "Senator Obama," just you do "Senator Clinton."

"Well the bottom line is that the superdels have a job to do exactly as you said. Be the grownups and put up the person the pluraity wants that has the best chance to win."

I presume you mean Sen. Obama? I agree wholeheartedly. And, don't worry, they will. They've said as much several times over.

"If the Obama campaign had been run on the issues, on differences of position instead of this fantasy of "a new kind of politics", "change you can believe in" "I'm not the OLD (ageism) politics", we would likely not be having this horrible rift between democrats. It is the pure, unadulterated bullshit (sorry) that has driven most Clinton supporters crazy."

Sorry, but if you think politics as practiced in the Clinton era is the be-all, end-all of statesmanship, you have a very narrow conception of the game. Of course partisanship has always existed, and always will. That doesn't mean it hadn't grown virulent in the 90's, mainly because of the GOP, yes, but also because of the way the Clintons played the game -- i.e. treating everyone who didn't agree with them 100%, including fellow Dems, as sworn enemies. We can do better, and we have, throughout our history. Even during Watergate, it wasn't as bad as it is now.

"Did he achieve that profound change in Chicago? I don't mean passing a bill. I mean being a "different" politician. Cleaning things up. Changing how things are done. He promises to do that for Washington, America, the world. Did he do it in Chicago? He was in office for 8 years."

Why, yes, yes he did. I recommend you read up on Obama getting the first comprehensive campaign finance law in Illinois in 25 years passed, how he convinced the cops and the state authorities to videotape interrogations, and how he managed to bring together everyone to pass a controversial death penalty reform bill unanimously. While you're at it, look for Republicans in the Illinois State Senate who speak ill of him -- there are very few.

"say you are sure he's heard Wright using harsh language. Obama denies it. You say he's tried to keep distance between Wright and his campaign. Wright was an advisor on his campaign until about 2 days ago when this story broke. Sorry, it's just too hard to argue with made up facts."

No, Obama denied having heard the stuff FOX brought up ("God Damn America," 9/11, AIDS). He didn't deny having heard tough language from Wright before. Hence the whole "crazy uncle" routine in the first place.

Also, scroll down. People have been posting on how the Obama campaign has encouraged Wright not to speak at various events, and have been using that as evidence he's lying. That's what I mean when he's tried to keep distance. Get your facts straight. Reality counts.