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Tuesday, January 29, 2008 07:39 PM
Original article: Florida polls close

You forget the Clinton factor.

"Plus the GOP base doesn't like him and might stay home."

Not if Sen. Clinton is our nominee, they won't. I've said this before, but Hillary Clinton and her husband are the only two people on Earth who could put the GOP back together at this point.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 07:14 PM
Original article: Giuliani to endorse McCain?

@Timbuk

I've been impressed by Granholm in the past (I'm not too psyched about her endorsement of Clinton, but so be it.)

That being said, at this point the next Democratic AG will probably be...John Edwards. (With Biden as Secretary of State, unless Clinton ekes out a win somehow, in which case it'd be Richard Holbrooke.)

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 06:42 PM
Original article: Florida polls close

Anon.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. (Matt Yglesias put it well -- The Clinton campaign seems to think this election is Calvinball.) No rules, Jerry, it's Thunderdome!

But, obviously, many Clinton supporters seem to disagree. If there's one thing I've learned from the primary season thus far, it's that [a] the Clintons are still amazingly good at appearing the aggrieved party, even when all evidence suggests the contrary, and [b] a lot of my fellow Dems are perfectly content to look the other way at pretty reprehensible campaign tactics -- to them it's "all in the game."

So be it. I find it rather sad.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 06:31 PM
Original article: Florida polls close

slackie

If I had to guess, I'd actually think Edwards voters would probably split down the middle for Clinton and Obama. If the posts of some Edwards voters here are any indication, there does seem to be a good bit of animosity for the "empty suit" among their ranks.

I actually think it's in Obama's interest for Edwards to stay in, thus keeping the delegate count relatively close between Clinton and Obama...until he gives his delegates to Obama at a later date. (Put another way, I'm guessing that Edwards' delegates would be easier to transfer to Obama than his votes.)

In any case, Edwards should stay in as long as he wants, imho. If he's "stealing" votes from either side, so be it. Those are his votes. I'm an Obama supporter, so I'd love to see those votes go to the Senator from Illinois...but they're not his (or hers) by fiat.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 06:01 PM
Original article: Florida polls close

Gwool.

The Berlin Bunker has other things on its mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2triiYXSY8

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 05:57 PM
Original article: Florida polls close

Melthough.

I'm only watching CNN at the moment, but they seem to be handling it pretty responsibly. They covered Clinton's speech, they called Florida a win for her immediately, and they occasionally have Bill Schneider and Soledad O'Brien do their exit poll routine with the Dem numbers. But they also keep explaining the zero delegate situation and are devoting most of their coverage to the GOP.

This is, to my mind, as it should be. I guess the Clinton supporters would like to see this covered like SC was last week, but, frankly given the rules, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 05:52 PM
Original article: Florida polls close

Darknesse.

There's no way of knowing, of course, but to be honest, I think Florida would've been a pick-up for Clinton even if both candidates had canvassed the state constantly.

There's a reason why they call Florida "God's Antechamber," as both George Will and Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2183036) have referred to it in past days. Which is not to say that all older voters are pro-Clinton, of course, but they have been skewing for Clinton 2-1 up to SC thus far. And the generation gap, to my mind, has seemed more deep and persistent than either the more-press-covered race and gender gaps.

Hopefully the Kennedy endorsement and the Clintons' recent questionable behavior will encourage older voters to give Obama another look.

At any rate, it's too bad (for her campaign) that Sen. Clinton didn't protest the stripping of delegates when it mattered. It would've been a relatively easy pick-up for her.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 05:11 PM

You know...

That's not really all that cryptic.

I'm just saying.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:53 AM

Doloresflower.

Thanks. It is much appreciated. :)

For what it's worth, I tried to explain -- in more broad and general terms -- why I support Obama here:

http://www.ghostinthemachine.net/005164.html

And I tried to wrap my head around this hugely depressing generation gap here:

http://www.ghostinthemachine.net/005179.html

I don't mind people disagreeing with me at all -- that's the American way. But I do get very frustrated with people saying that Obama supporters are unthinking idiots buying into an "empty suit." And I also get frustrated with the considerable amounts of misinformation floating around. You can disagree with my opinion -- in fact, please do -- but don't act like I/we haven't spent time thinking it through.

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