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Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:47 PM

Again don't consider HRC mean, just tenacious and time's running out

I can understand why her supporters have a good feeling. Look Senator Clinton won big in West Virginia and Kentucky. Those were important.

But unfortunately Senator Clinton did not pull the upset in Oregon. She will almost definitely win Puerto Rico. But Senator Obama will probably win at least either Montana or South Dakota if not both. Then time is out.

She has gotten stronger as the campaign has went on. Had she not been saddled with Mark Penn early on, had she used the populist message appealing to working class voters earlier, had they allowed her to be herself early on and not contrived, had her campaign understood caucus rules, maybe this would have turned out differently.

But those things didn't happen. Some of both her supporters and Senator Obama's have taken unfair abuse. That also is not right. But just personally disagree with the notion we should drag this to the convention because one side isn't getting their way. When the clock is out, it's out. It may have been a valiant effort by the losing team, they may have come way back from being down, but in the end, sadly, it just might not be enough. No disrespect to the effort.

Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:57 PM

If Tsongas was from Massachusetts I apologize

Honestly thought he was from California. My bad. But no the Party DID actively encourage people in California to vote for Clinton not Tsongas, in order not to embarass Bill Clinton who was the presumptive nominee. You can ask people there if you don't believe me.

There seemed to be little regard given to Tsongas' cancer anytime after March (when Bill Clinton effectively wrapped up the nomination in 1992.) Not blaming Bill. But the Party knew Tsongas' condition. The notion that they didn't, that it was some tightly-kept secret from the Party hierarchy, is highly suspect, and they could have thrown the man a bone here and there. But they were more worried about winning the general election and making the Democrat who was leading and the presumptive nominee at the time (Bill Clinton) look strong.

They should be doing the same for Barack Obama, not because he's "special" but because they should want to win. Period. The only reason they're not doing so is out of respect for Senator Clinton. They know, as well as we do, she's not going to win this nomination.

Friday, May 30, 2008 12:59 AM

Could be wrong I was only 10 but we lived in Long Beach, CA at the time

And I expressly remember my parents sitting around talking with a bunch of other teachers about how they had to vote for Bill Clinton now since the nomination was effectively wrapped up.

One of my dad's friends volunteered for the Tsongas campaign and admitted they had pretty much shut it down. He said they weren't pushing it and didn't want Bill Clinton to look bad. He was the presumptive nominee. I remember everyone thought it was odd he was still volunteering for the campaign that late.

But you're right it was Jerry Brown not Tsongas who was from California. You got me on this one. So much for a 10-year old's memory.

Friday, May 30, 2008 08:45 PM

Clinton can't score a knockout blow

That's the point of this article. Sure the turnout might be higher or lower. She might pull really close, her victory might be more than 15 points, she might get everything she's ever wanted from the RBC, and pull close. She might overtake the popular vote lead (ignoring the fact we're essentially not counting Iowa, Nevada, Maine or the half dozen other states who don't keep popular vote totals) but she's not going to get the nomination. That's clear.

She didn't win it. Obama did. And the Party's been clear they're not going to give it to her, just because. So what's left?

Trying to be polite, trying to be patient, worried about the RBC ruling tomorrow but, in the end, it's clear Barack's won this nomination. And the Party's not going to take it away from him. They've been clear on that too.

So what's left?

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