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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:13 PM

So basically the case for her is to subvert the democratic will of the people? Bad idea

I see why the superdelegates haven't went for this. If they do, they're even dumber than I think. They know, as well as we all do, that if they try to overturn the will of the people in some backroom deal, they're sinking not only this election and the presidency but the chance of the Democrats to ever control anything again for at least another decade.

They're telling Hillary, as clearly as they can, you better come up with a more convincing scenario than this. Cause we ain't gonna do it.

And she needs to watch Indiana closely. That border state thing, here in the Midwest, is a lot stronger than many people think. It explains (largely) not only the Wisconsin thing, but the Iowa and Missouri (which her people quietly were putting in her column early on Super Tuesday, it was the last state to report) things too. A quarter of Indiana falls under the Chicago media market. If she thinks riding around in some guys' truck is gonna undo all that she's got another thing coming. It's gonna be reeal close, her target demographic or not.

Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:02 PM

I simply (and respectfully) disagree

I'm with the earlier poster this has more to do with a certain KIND of working class white voter than it does with working class white voters in general.

Obama won them heavily in Virginia and the Potomac primaries too, and didn't do horribly with them in Texas (although the media would have you think there are no working class whites in the South), not to mention Missouri and Wisconsin.

We'll have to wait and see, I admit Indiana's going to be close, but if he does win it her argument is really blown out of the water. Remember basically all Obama's done is lose 2 bordering states Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hillary has somehow managed to convince all of you that this is somehow representative of working class voters everywhere. It isn't. It's just working class voters in 2 states.

Thursday, May 1, 2008 01:59 PM

Obama picks up Indiana superdelegate

Today Obama picked up Indiana superdelegate and former head of the Democratic National Committee Joe Andrew.

Andrew, who had been one of the superdelegates pledged to Clinton, today switched his support to Barack Obama.

An excerpt of his statement:

"I have been inspired.

Today I am announcing my support for Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States of America. I am changing my support from Senator Clinton to Senator Obama, and calling for my fellow Democrats across my home State of Indiana, and my fellow super delegates across the nation, to heal the rift in our Party and unite behind Barack Obama."

Two links to where you can find the story: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/the-andrew-lett.html#more

http://thepage.time.com/

Obama also picked up four other superdelegates today, making his net sum a +5.

Again I would argue we are already starting to see a small bit of the border state scenario in Indiana. I would expect to see more of these before next Tuesday.

Also the Quinnipac numbers now show Obama beating McCain handily and by almost as much as Clinton in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania: Clinton 51, McCain 37; Obama 47, McCain 38

Same link: http://thepage.time.com/

There is some good news for Clinton supporters, she picked up four superdelegates today, although you have to remember since Joe Andrew LEFT her camp today, she's really only netting 3 additional ones. All of hers are from New York.

Also an RCP poll shows her pulling ahead in North Carolina. I think it's an outlier, but it's there.

The point is, anyone claiming they know FOR SURE which of these candidates is the stronger one is lying. We'll just have to wait and see. There is ample evidence, on both sides, that their candidate is the stronger one.

Personally, everyone knows, I think it's Obama. I also think Hillary has what everyone KNOWS she has which is a 45-47% ceiling. She just can't get above this margin in a general, so she can't win. I also think the fact Obama's won the most states, the most number of elected delegates and the popular vote matter A LOT. But I understand there are arguments the other way.

Tuesday will provide another hint about where we're headed. It probably won't finish it, one or the other. She's not quitting even if he does win Indiana and North Carolina, I bet. But it'll give us a hint.

Thursday, May 1, 2008 08:42 PM
Original article: Super stuck!

They do seem cowardly

If they have a preference they should declare it. I'm with Claire McCaskell, they want to endorse Obama but they're too scared of the Clintons' so-called retribution and too cowardly to take a stance.

Someone needs to tell them, we're not going to forget their cowardice. Time to step up.

Anyone else think Joan Walsh is calling them nightly and begging them not to vote their conscience and endorse Obama?

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