Man was I off...

THE FACTS: Obama acknowledges that over nearly eight years in the Illinois Senate, he voted "present" 129 times. That was out of roughly 4,000 votes he cast, so those "presents" amounted to about one of every 31 votes in his legislative career.

Illinois legislators often vote "present" and for a wide variety of reasons. Sometimes blocs of lawmakers do it as a protest in some dispute over rules and procedures. Obama was often joined in his "present" votes by 10 or 20 other senators.

Clinton supporters = clowns.

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Tempus and adnoto have shown what side they are on.

-- Conservativeslayer

How could you possibly know who is or is not part of the solution? You don't even know what the problem is you dimwit.

But you'd better damn well be ready to take your share of responsibility if things turn out wrong in November. Unless you're willing to support an instant runoff voting system, you're not proving anything to me by running your mouths about how you hate the Democratic Party.

-- V.B. from MN

Have you taken responsibility for the last 8 years? No? Well don't expect us to take responsibility when either of the two establishment candidates gets elected. They aren't our guy. Wear it.

They may like him for silly and foolish reasons but that's democracy. You just don't care for it much.

-- L.W.M.

You are a liar. Since you know enough to speak about what I care for then you are just flat out lying. I happen to care for democracy very much...which makes you a liar.

Another thing,

To actually get into a position to minimize the influence of money in politics, we have to get people of a mind to do so elected. -- LWM

Yes, I know what you think. I know that is your belief. You are why I fear for the future of this country. Not BushCo, not Pelosi, not Hoyer...YOU.

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Hear ye hear ye......

LWM and those who believe as he does are attempting to sell you a lie. He and those like him are doing you as great a disservice as the BushCo's, Pelosi's and Hoyer's. He and his ilk know full well that it is the system, as it has been gamed by the corporate/MIC establishment and willing politicians, that is now the root of our problems. LWM wants to work "within" that system to bring about change. How many times have we heard that before? Ask yourself -- how often does that work? How many politicians have said those very words during their campaigns?

More and better politicians of any stripe are not the answer for two simple reasons. First, we will never be able to elect enough of them all at once to affect serious change in the short term. It will not happen and you all know that. Secondly, because we can not elect enough of them this round, those that we are successful in electing will either be compromised and/or marginalized by the time we are able add to their number with even "more and better." Do you see the "one step forward, two steps back" aspect of it all? You must see it.

There have been people saying and attempting what he proposes for the entirety of our history as a nation. What has been the result? What has been the outcome? You are watching it. You are living it. You are "fighting" it right now. If you follow his lead you and your progeny will be doing it for decades more and your children and their children will end up right where you are now (if they are that lucky). The entire thing has become a vicious cycle of vote and be screwed, vote again and be screwed again...over and over. Simply voting and hoping is not only unrealistic it is harmful.

The LWM's of this world are not for change. They are selling you a lie. Their plan, as shown in the blockquote above, is an absolute fantasy that will bring about little to no change in the long term. He is in effect asking you to believe him or your lying eyes. Don't let him do it to you.

By all means, do go out and vote for who you think is best but do not kid yourself into believing LWM's fantasy. And do not kid yourself into thinking that 3 ad campaigns directed at wayward politicians (who are supposed to be representing you and are instead representing themselves and their corporate paymasters) are going to have a great impact in the long run. It looks like we are going to lose this telecom amnesty battle and that is truly tragic. This experience should be just another signal to us that, if we truly want change, we might as well force the issue with the group of politicians we already have. If we want real change we will have to force the issue at some point, so why not now? There is no better time to get started than the present.

I am not advocating or calling for violence here. I am asking that we collectively wake up and take a bodily stand. The only kind of stand that will scare the establishment. They should be scared of us, not the other way around.

Adnoto,

You are a a small minded, petty and angry fool with delusions of grandeur.

Best of luck with that.

-- L.W.M.

Projecting.