adnoto, I might be "down with" the Revolution...

...but what, exactly, ARE you advocating? I mean, if you have actual ideas, I'd like to here them. More specific than [paraphrasing] "take a bodily stand". No snark, I just have no idea what you're suggesting. -- bamage

What did Gandhi do? What did MLK do? I mean we have some precedents to work with right?

I think what I am advocating is that we come to a loose consensus on what we want done and then act to get them to do it. A list of demands. What do we want? What has to be done first? For instance: No telecom amnesty. Period. OK what else? Think of it now because once this gets going we will want to have something to tell them other than "No Blood for Oil". So, what do we want?

Immediate appointment of a special prosecutor to look into all of BushCo's evil? Out of Iraq within 6 months? Closure of Gitmo immediately or ASAP. No lobbyist money period? A run off style election system? A computer with a Glenn Greenwald screen saver for every household? etc. etc. Everyone is going to have their preferences about demands but we would need at least a few.

I think the bottom line is we ask these modern day leaders of ours, these intelligent bloggers such as Glenn and others to put their heads together and come up with a plan. They could use this very coalition they are working with now. They could continue to use the attack ads if they think that is working but they could also come up with a plan for some direct action, running it by us as a sounding board and for ideas, and then put out calls to action. Strikes, sit-ins, boycotts, speaches.... hell all of it. Pick a week and just do it once a plan is finalized. And keep doing it until we are dealt with one way or another.. that is the key.

It could be local too. I mean we would probably want a significant presence in DC eventually but intitially marching on and sitting in the local offices of our respective congresspersons would be very effective IMO.

To be honest with you I don't have a good handle on how it would all shake out. I am not a planner. I am reasonably intelligent and I don't bullshit myself -- I can see the true problem for who and what it is and I would be a good asset and a more than willing participant, but you wouldn't want me as a planner.

Which is, in part, why I come to a blog such as this. Looking for leaders. I realize my limitations. I am sure there are plenty of former DFH's who were really in the thick of it back in their day that could assist with do's and dont's and organizing and planning. I am willing to do whatever I need to do but what we would need initially is some organization and that only comes with leadership. Glenn has shown he is a leader. He has raised over 100 grand from you all in a few days and without much detail as to what he is going to do with it. We all trust him. He is a leader almost by default at this point. He and others like him may not want that label or responsibility but it is theirs if they willing to take it.

And let's not forget the Molly Maguires, the Knights of Labor, the IWW, and the thousands of other regular people who were threatened, beaten, abused, arrested, murdered - who organized, marched, barricaded, and sometimes rioted - to win for us such things as the minimum wage, the "weekend," social security, unemployment insurance, safe workplaces, workman's compensation, and equal rights - great social gains that the Democrats have temerity to take credit for when it was us and people like us who forced them to make those changes.

Let's not forget these good men and women who realized that voting, by itself, is about as useful as not voting at all.

-- djmagaro

Yes, Absolutely. Well said.

General Systems Theory

Fascinating stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic

Yeah, there is a difference. "Systematic was a hard rock band from San Jose, California" and "systematics is the study of the diversity of life on the planet Earth, both past and present, and the relationships among living things through time."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_systems_theory -- L.W.M.

You are correct, the problem is systemic. People are realizing that fact and, as a result, fewer and fewer people are listening to you.

Feel free to keep digging your hole though.