Adnoto

Sorry, you're right. You're not smarter than this. Otherwise, you would have read my original post. I never advocated the Iraq war. How ridiculous.

-- omooex

Read your original post? Stop being an ass.

Let's see. I responded to the poster "bakum" thusly....

Perverse

Perverse as it sounds, I think it would be healthy just like I think the eight years of our national nightmare under the Bushies will ultimately be good for the country. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Compare this election to anything from the last 25 years and I think you'd have to agree we're heading in the right direction. -- bakum

I wonder if the Iraqis believe it was ultimately good for their country? I don't think the estimated 500,000 - 1,000,000 dead Iraqis and their loved ones would probably consider our slow movement in the "right direction" all that healthy. They weren't made stronger by it... they were just made dead.

Eh... who gives a shit about them.. they ain't Americans.

-- adnoto

I mentioned Iraq and Iraqis specifically. To Which you responded....

Adnoto

From a purely historical perspective, I think, all violent culture clashes lead to healthy societies in the longer term. Both cultures are invigorated, and juxtaposed, becoming one, eventually. Everything we find beautiful about colonized cultures--and even European cultures from the days of Rome--is to some extent, a product of violence and oppression.

From a being right now alive perspective, however, yeah, it sucks.

-- omooex

I was talking specifically about Iraq. You responded to my post about the Iraq war. If you were not singing the praises of violent conflict in general and the Iraq war and occupation specifically then what is your point omooex? How is it that you cannot see that, regardless of your intent, people may read you to be saying that murder and oppression of hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq will someday be seen as a good thing?

@adnoto

Yes, LWM has said, and resaid, that he sometimes posts as "Ron Pauliac". He has never denied it. Having a second account with a different name (which you acknowledge freely) is not sock puppetry, by a long shot.

Look I don't really give a shit either way but now that I have inserted myself into the middle of this... I am not positive that "he has never denied it." Are you? I don't know the hard and fast definition of sock-puppetry but, IMO, it is sock-puppetry if a) it has ever been denied previously and/or b) if there is no disclaimer explaining it for those that wouldn't know.. who wouldn't have seen the many "admissions." I think the latter is at least one reason why Bucky felt it necessary to keep pointing it out... so that others would know.

Something about it does bug me... not enough to care or to call him out like Chris does but still I understand the irritation. And I must also say, as much as you all dislike Chris I happen to feel a certain affinity toward him. Probably because he seems to be equally as pissed off/outraged as I am and he is willing to fight the ridiculous "more and better democrats" meme. He may rub your clique the wrong way but, from what I have seen, he is at least honest in his dealings.

As for this...

The last guy who they thought was me, it cost him over $10,000 and two years in stir before he could adequately prove he wasn't. His wife divorced him, his kids won't speak to him, he was mauled by his own Rottweiler, and he still never got out of the paternity suits. He just made the damn support payments rather than try. -- Derbig Mooser

I have to say, in all sincerity, I do love you for your self deprecating humor.

@ adnoto

That's not what omooex is saying, not from my perspective anyway. What he's calling attention to is a centuries-old human observation. -- William Timberman

I know what the fuck he was calling attention to and I am saying don't call attention to it. Both because it amounts to a bunch of pompous, social Darwinist, war winner's revisionist history and because it doesn't do a god-damn thing to help either the Iraqi people or us at the moment. Again, this isn't ancient history and we aren't looking back on it from 1000 years hence.

Suffice to say, the Democrats are about to reverse the only worthwhile act they've undertaken since being handed control of the Congress 18 months ago, and will endorse and authorize yet another aspect of the Bush lawbreaking regime. I ask this literally, not rhetorically: can someone identify even one meaningful event from the past 18 months that would have been different had the GOP retained control of both houses of Congress? Just one.

It's really too bad this issue can't be addressed after the election. Then the Democrats would have the numbers. There would be more and better democrats and everyone would get a pony.

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I believe that quote of Einstein's... you know the one about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result... I think that quote has a place here.

Repeat endlessly.

-- GlennGreenwald

Er...yeah, I know that is how it works. I was being facetious with my initial comment. You probably know by now that I am not a big fan of the "more and better" democrats "solution" because well, it isn't a solution.

So I am not sure if you misread me or if you were just agreeing with me. I am not sure how to take your last.