Knorbit is naive, not very bright, probably quite young, and has a lot of time on his hands. He is easily confused and thinks he is far smarter than he is. (Use this to your advantage.) He literally spouts nonsense and silliness to get attention, yet takes himself very seriously.-- Baldie McEagle

Baldie... those appear to be very good assessments of those trolls. I think you might be right on the money. Especially about NOB. He ran his mouth all day yesterday but he wouldn't answer one simple question:

Why isn't he over there fighting the greatest threat to civilization evah?!

My best guess is that he is indeed a classic chickenhawk and fundamental coward who is more than willing to have us fight wars of choice to last drop of everyone else's blood. I just wanted him to come up with a standard chickenhawk excuse. Of course, he wouldn't answer the question.

@orbitboy

Iran's efforts to obtain nukes pre-date Bush, by decades.

Yes, it dates to the time of the US ally, the Shah of Iran. At that time Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons was not a problem.

After the revolution, Iranian pursuit of nuclear weapons started after Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on the Iranians; Iran took it to the United Nations, and the western powers and US in particular sat on their hands. With that is was a rational conclusion Iran, indeed for any state, that it needs WMD if the Western powers are antagonistic to it. -- macgupta

Not to mention (yet again) the US/British orchestrated coup of the democratically elected Iranian government headed by Mossadegh, which subsequently put that monster the Shah back into power and ultimately lead to the blowback we see now. Something that wingnuts would love to sweep under the rug. We are a nation composed primarily of two-faced imbeciles. With people like NOB leading the pack.

Then either begin to do something about it, or admit defeat and let your fascist task masters roll over you already.

-- brightstar65

They admit defeat every day. They admit defeat every time they write yet another letter to their congresscriminal. They admit defeat in voting for the lesser of two evils. They admit defeat every time they work within the system. They won't admit it to themselves obviously but the admission is none-the-less apparent to those of us who aren't lying to ourselves.

Actually taking action that would have a real impact is out of the question.

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2008/05/choosing-sides-ii-killing-truth-and.html

The immediate problem is to free ourselves from the shackles imposed, very consciously, by the kind of people you're talking about. Who don't want the facts to be known. And for very good reasons. Because if people know the facts, they aren't going to tolerate them. So therefore you have to prevent them from knowing. --Chomsky

How about the above section that you failed to highlight? You really don't realize that, to a great degree, he is talking about you.

You would prefer certain things were not known or even discussed. You would prefer that people just ignore certain truths and continue to play the game. You are a "shackler" LWM. A clear and present danger to real change. You really don't see it do you? Classic.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1504/135/

With revolutionaries like these, it's a wonder we don't all have barcodes tattooed on our asses. Goner indeed.

-- Paul Daniel Ash

Shorter PDA: "I demand you list all that you have done or not done so that I can excoriate you (either way) in order to make myself feel better and shake this nagging suspicion that I have not done enough."

Ok PDA, I demand you list all the things you have done to save us. I, for one, will be waiting with bated breath. I expect it is a very long list.

No, Adnoto

I'm a "left wing gatekeeper"!

The worst kind! Just like Glenn Greenwald! He won't write about the truth behind 9/11!

My problem with Ron Paul is the company he keeps. I don't want Alan Stang, Lew Rockwell or Justin Raimondo and the rest in the White House or in government in any capacity, and neither do you, whether you realize it or not. -- L.W.M.

No way am I gonna let that pass. Fuck Ron Paul. Who said anything about Ron Paul? I don't like the guy for his idiotic economic policy's but it still doesn't change the fact that he is more revolutionary, in many good ways, than you will ever be. Who the fuck do you think you are? Go fuck yourself in the worst possible way. Left-wing my ass. Only in this fucking shithole of a country, run by shit-heads like you, could you ever be considered left-wing. You may have been left-wing at one time but somewhere along the way you got too fucking old or too comfortable or both. You are no "left-wing gatekeeper." You are a left-wing shackler. You are a head in the sand, go along to get along, brain-dead centrist who wants to convince everyone else not to speak too loudly or challenge conventional wisdom too much.

Greenwald is no revolutionary. He isn't in it for real change. If things were like they were in the nineties his blog wouldn't exist. He has said as much. You are correct. You and Greenwald are fairly similar but "left-wing" you are not.