Just can't lay off the gutter politics and leave a 17 year old girl alone. This tabloid trash reflects on no one but yourself.

You tabloid trash-mongers are the reason America detests liberals. You are a stain on what was once a decent cause, its unworthy bastard children. Pure human filth far below anything Rove could dream up. You got no bounce from the DNC so you'll drag a 17 year old girl through the mud to make up a story and pretend it means something. The same young women you hypocrites pretend to stand up for. You stand for nothing. You cry like babies about what "would" happen the other way around to justify the fact that you _stand_for_nothing. Obama is a decent guy, far above this filth... maybe you should heed what he said about staying away from children. But instead, you will make America hate you with this illegitimate garbage, and dismantle his campaign, and cry foul.

... you're not an Obamatron, you're an ignorant fool. Nothing independent at all. Keep spoutin' off your empty nonsense though, and pretend that means you care about something, while dragging a 17y.o. girl through the mud. To accomplish what exactly? Aside from proving you stand for nothing.

Amazing that when asked to compare his experience to that of small-town mayor and Alaska governor Sarah Palin, the only think Obama could come up with was: his campaign budget. Amazing. This is what he calls executive experience. He's never run so much as a candy store. And he's the top of your ticket.

president Harvard Law Review... given he's left no intellectual footprint, and published nothing in his career, I wonder how he got there. Nonetheless, go ahead and compare editing a legal compilation to being in charge of a state budget and making decisions that affect people's lives. Any more straws to grasp at?

700+ person organization, you mean what Bill Ayers put him in charge of? Squandering money on "education" programs that generated no results. Great. Or maybe this is the training of the ACORN staff and diverting their funds to get elected.

Even Biden said he isn't ready.

... continue to call attention to their own cover-ups. But the Chicago Machine couldn't keep his close work with terrorist William Ayers quiet, couldn't keep the evidence covered up, which Barak openly lied about.

Keep it up guys.

Let's see, the organization believed Alaska should've been given a choice on statehood at the time it was annexed. Given that it wasn't, they support _a vote_.

Oh yeah, dangerous stuff.

Could you stretch any further debaser? That quote is not from Sarah Palin.. you whiners about "guilt by association." But Barak worked directly with William Ayers... and what did he say about America and her institutions? Yes, he bombed the capitol building.

If he wants to be Mr. Into the Wild, more power to him. It has no bearing on Sarah Palin. Does she have a pioneering spirit? Yes. Does she think Alaska should give a vote on succession? Maybe. Does this mean she believes his statement? That's ridiculous. But typical of the Carville parrots.

Speaking of the Reverend Wright... didn't he just stick his foot in his mouth again by claiming to have been the formative influence on Obama? Slight difference there.

And Ayers puts him in charge of distrubiting millions in Annenberg grants... you can bet your bottom dollar the Chicago Machine made damn sure he was in sync with their philosophy.

There is, at the moment, no proof she was even a member of the AIP, but you're already going to say that she subscibes to the statement.

Martin Luther believed that all Jews should have their money and property confiscated, their homes destroyed, their synagogues burned. Know any Protestants that wanna defend that statement? Hitler sure did though. Are you going to make the argument that Protestants must necessarily be of the same mind?

I hammer away at Ayers, because Obama was required to believe a certain amount of his philosophy. I'm pointing out the obvious difference. And Wright, saying he is responsible for forming Obama. Why don't you think this means he subscribes to black liberation theology?

Funny, you've dodged every question. And the pinko offered no evidence of her being a "card carrying" member, though she may have been.

You specialized in the Reformation... great.. then you should be able to expound on why Protestants are removed from the statements of the founder of their own radical fringe group.

While you're at it, you can explain how the AIP is a radical fringe group, for wanting to allow a vote Alaska was denied.

Plenty of people will belong to the fringe beliefs of any group. Point is, judge the individual by her own beliefs. Her motivation can just as easily be a states rights philosophy as actually wishing secession.

Oh, of course you haven't said why the statements of Obama's pastor don't qualify for actually _influencing_ him.

And you like to twist my arguments. There was an AIP governor in Alaska I read somewhere, who did absolutely nothing towards Alaskan independence in office. I didn't say the party was founded on state's rights principles. I said that Sarah's particular interest in the party could be the belief that they were denied a right they should not have been denied.

There's no duplicity in saying that the actual influence on someone by a belief system and it's vehement preachers in the business of shaping beliefs, is more impacting than being a member of a political group.

I draw an analogy to Luther, but the expert on the Reformation won't comment on why Sarah would be any more influenced by the statements of its founder than Protestants are by Luther's.