Polygamy is well-known for problems of jealousy, harsh physical punsihment of women, and other issues. There is no magical country were people accept multiple partners well. In some they are forced to do it on pain of threat or death. But voluntarily? With a smile? Nope.

Polygamy is also linked to corruption and low trust, as well as lack of involvement with children, the idea of children as property, women as property, and other ugly stuff. It is not positive at all.

You are right to distrust this meme. I have known Nigerian Muslim women who escaped such marriages. They were soul killing.

Natural childbirth, if you can do it, is a good idea. I had a natural childbirth unwillingly (too far dilated) and one medicated one. Both kids are fine. There are good reasons for both. SOme people get so wrapped up in the birth nazi thing that they act a fool. Some women have easy births, some don't.

But orgasms in birth? No. That's just bull.

There is no evidence for this. Nothing. Nada. No scientific, documented proof whatsoever. I call bullshit. No current medical evidence, no historical medical evidence, not historical midwifery evidence. No. Just no.

My delivery experience is not what makes me call bullshit. My historical training, and my sex ed classes, do. Critical thinking, people. Even easy births have some pain. The contractions of labor are not like those of orgasm. Otherwise, people with stomach flu and UTIs would be orgasmic, too!

Not buying it. Fake.

I think you should modify your rules by adding: If they are dumb, evidence has been offered and they dismiss it, a slayer should dismiss them. It should be harsh, succinct, and contemptuous.

Ignoring a troll makes him or her crazy. Trolls have too much time on their hands as well as hunger for a fight. Trolls are attention hounds. Disengaging drives them nuts. I know this from experience.

Personally, I think they should be totally ignored. That makes them try to post several times. It makes them look pathetic, and they give up from lack of a partner. Sparring with them is what they want.

I will engage people who interest me and whom I respect. I will ocassionally rack a troll for my own edification (some of the idiots of Trollfest 2008 were really easy targets). Most of the time ignoring them just seems to work better for me.

Why should I waste time trying to convince them that they are wrong, anyway?

People, one thing:

Most southern parts manufacturers (including those Nissan plants, BMW plants, etc) sell to the Big 3. They go under, the foreign plants in the South will close, too. No car in America is fully "foreign" or "American". They are a mix. Kill the Big 3 and you will really hurt the foreigns.

That's why three Southern Senators are suddenly backtracking, and Bush stepped in. Springhill in Tenn (Corker's state) is going first, GM just announced. Guess where the Big 3 will make sure supplier layoffs will hit?

Top UAW salary is 27, top non-union 24. UAW is not the problem.

When people lose jobs, they get mad. These senators just earned themselves a nasty lesson in one fact: the Big 3 and the foreign automakers are interconnected. You can' t hit one without nailing the others.

It will be more that a "few million jobs lost." Kiss Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana goodbye.

If the middle class has no money, and these jackasses cram down everyone's wages, who do you think will buy these cars? The foreign automakers are not selling cars, either. NO ONE IS.

Destroying more decent paying jobs is the last thing the economy needs.