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THis child is cruising for a teen pregnancy. She's not acting like a teen who would use birth control. She's acting like a little hormonal idiot who has no idea about how much things cost in the real world. She sounds like she's never really had realistic consequences before.
The boyfriend's parents might not want to raise a grandchild, so enlist their help. Snag the number off the caller id, or go to the house and talk to them. If she gets pregnant, his dumb butt (or theirs, in some states for an underage child) is on the hook for child support. Don't keep them apart, but they need supervision and less open time. Jobs sound good. Volunteer work as well. These kids have way too much time on their hands to get into trouble.
Do you have a Boy's & Girl's Club? Can the neighbor get her there? Get the neighbor on your side, too. It's time to talk to them, and tell them that you suspect your daughter is lying to them. Catch this fly with honey.
I've literally seen how troubled kids can manipulate situations. I've also seen parents screw up. This parent has given up, and is probably too negative. The parents do not need to ease up, but they need more support. If the teen can't get validation for craziness from the neighbor anymore, it will help stop the craziness.
The guys who took the doors off the hinges have a point. If the teens treat you with a lack of respect, take stuff away, don't do for them. The next time she shrieks, break something she values. Preferably the cell phone. Tell her to get a job and buy herself one. She needs a wake up call about how much things cost. She also needs to understand how much her parents do for her. I'm not absolving her parents. I bet they are not good at setting and enforcing boundaries, using praise and positive reinforcement, etc. They are 50% of this problem.
Look, teens are hard but not this hard. This is ridiculous.
The email was klutzy and tacky; so is he
I'm sorry, but I think calling the email "honest' is, well....dishonest. The EMOTION maybe honest ("I like both women!") but the methodology was just crude and insensitive; if for any reason, the LW ended up with this man, she is in for a lifetime of this kind of clunky unthinking cruelty.
Let me underscore the above: THERE IS NO EXCUSE. NADA. You do NOT tell people this kind of stuff by email.
This is using truth like a weapon, as a way to manipulate people. It's true- so he has deniablity.But it's truth twisted to make someone insecure. The the way he did it was meant to cause competition and insecurity. If he had called, she would know where she stands. Breaking up or giving important interpersonal relationship info by email automatically gets the person crossed off the list, at the very least for cowardice.
He isn't honest. Honest would have been "I like you, but not enough to stay away from the woman down the hall." THAT is honest and praiseworthy. This is weaselly. He's a jerk.
What is up with the "give him a chance" crowd? Divorce does not absolve people from basic sanity. If it was a woman doing it, I'd say she was a manipulative jerk, too. I really see manipulation as a deal breaker- once people start trying to make you feel insecure, you need to lose them. No one deserves or should be with someone who makes them feel insecure.
Go read the post a page back about game. Happiness comes from within. Until you get yourself in order, all you will attract will be playas like this one. He's using the "poor clueless me" tactic. Run.
LW, you deserve better. Do not waste time on a man he's not interested in you. You're were better than nothing, and nothing has shown up.
I really hope both women dump his tail.
If you can date two at a time, you really don't want either of them.
A "playa" tried to "run" multiple women or men (run as in have sex with and have others jump through hoops to do things for them). He or she is manipulative. He/she may lie, or he/she may use the truth like a weapon. He/she does things that cause insecurity (like this one, pitting one woman against another with an email and claiming "I won't compare you"). He/she does outrageous things and then says "but I told you...".
Playas don't want commitments. They want sex, company, good time. A friend of mine calls them butterflies. They look good, wnt everyone to take care of them, and they flutter away. They tend to have very little empathy or interest in how their actions cause problems.
If you were the A woman, he wouldn't be with the other woman. Don't get caught waiting. You deserve better than this.
WHen a man wants THIS woman, he wants HER. When he wants company, he dates women who are "OK" but not "THIS". It's not that he needs space. It's that he doesn't think she's the one.
There's a man out there who will love you, forsake all others, and never do this to you. Don't waste time on here. WOrk on your own neediness.
It troubles me that you aren't mad at him. You said it felt manipulative. You are right. It leads to the "I never promised..." He's trying to be a playa. Get mad. You deserve better than this.
He had his chance. If you take him back, he will have learned it's ok to treat you as second choice, as B. He will think this kind of behavior is ok. You will never have back what you had with him.
Let him go.