With everyone sqawking about this, did we all just miss the abandoning of an American soldier in Iraq yesterday as U.S forces withdrew under orders from the Iraqi PM [since when do we do that?!] from Sadr City?

Garry Owen writes:

"But guess what, losers: Imus is fired. Voted off the island. And you jokers are like a bunch of incontinent old bags pissing yourselves on a bumpy bus ride down to Loserville."

Happy to see we're rallying against the coarsening of culture and discourse.

Surely there are no incontinent seniors who would take offense. Depends are for losers anyway.

Imus gets a raw deal on this one as far as it goes. But, I'll feel better about it if this "teaching moment" is only the first.

If you're going to put Imus to the wall, then make it a long wall with room and bullets for more.

A bit coarse maybe...but I'm trying to fit in.

Joan Walsh writes to Owen:

"Thanks to you and others for the nice words...."

Really?

"...incontinent old bags pissing themselves..."?

I guess the "not nice" would come if it were "incontinent 'nappy-headed' old bags pissing themselves..."

The more discerning will note that there is a certain equivalency between the "nice, white lady" who thinks it's OK and the "naughty, white men" who do not.

It's still white folks on the the porch of the big house chattering about the help.

May god bless you and keep you, Joe. And let her countenance shine upon you. And may the other gods do likewise each in their way.

Or not, if you prefer - in that case...thanks alot.

Compare and Contrast.

"I am not a crook." - R.M. Nixon

"It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." W.J. Clinton

"I wasn't in the pew when he said it." O.H. Obama

Bonus points for identify who is really to blame in each example.

Kind of interesting to finally become the old fogies who got the whole damn thing all wrong.

Now I understand why the old fogies who got the whole damn thing all wrong before we were and did used to sort of just shake their heads alot.

I tend to blame Tom Brokaw and his cottage industry of generational envy.

Of course we could ask, why don't the counterculture's of the 70's, 80's or 90's or 00's interest us at all?

Peace.

When one candidate is pulling heavily from one racial demographic and another candidate is pulling heavily from another racial demographic, why is it racist to observe this is so on the part of one candidate, but not racist to observe it is so on the part of the other candidate.

So long as people are voting for Senator Clinton in a close race, what's the problem? Shouldn't they be permitted to do so?

And if it offends the sensibilities of some for superdelegates to intervene on one side to "overturn the will of the people," why is it somehow better for these same superdelegates to be called upon to "silence the electoral voice of the people."

Democracy is about voting. Elections are about counting the votes. Let people vote. Then count them.

The chattering class - of which Salon.com has increasingly become a dues paying member - keeps the race issue alive. Pick-a-little, talk-a-little, pick, pick, pick, talk alot, pick -a - little more.

Let's face it, the "great conversation about race" that Senator Obama's patronizing, self-serving,sophomore essay was supposed to engender is really happening in some quarters. It is comprised mainly of seeing and hearing racism everywhere on one side and nowhere on the other.

Long forgotten is Ms. Obama's scornful Iowa lament that the "African American" is too timid to vote for - you know.

The Senator's support for the FISA capitulation is disappointing.

His assurances that when President he'll watch the issue closely smacks of "trust me." It also misses the point of a "government of laws not of men (or women)". Even if I might trust a President Obama (and in this I don't much trust anyone short of God herself), what about the next one?

If Obama thinks I have no place else to go, what makes him think I have to go anywhere.

I'm a Yellow Dog Democrat. But that means there at least needs to be at least a "yellow dog" on the ballot.

Obama does not even pass the yellow dog test.

I don't have to vote the top of the ticket.

And right now I won't.

BTW: I have taken every opportunity to not vote the the Democratic incumbent in WI 3rd District when I lived there. I didn't vote the Feingold the cycle he was being such a righteous pissant on impeachment.

My mother is 82. Lives with my dad in Ohio. I call on Sundays.

"So I guess it's Biden, she says to me. It was all over the TV on Saturday. Saw Biden running across a stage waving his arms all over. He hugs Obama. Obama hugs him. Then the wives come onstage and everyone's hugging.

They must think we're stupid."

Been a Democrat all her life.

So what do you make of that?

So now it's up to Hillary?

Well, where she is not is on the ticket where I assume many of you wanted her to be.

You need to recall it's Obama/Biden...where are they?