What exactly is it about "innocent until proven guilty" that is so confusing to you?

"nor do I support extending the rights enjoyed by US citizens to every person in the world."

Why not?

I felt no need to address the many "issues" you brought up because they have no bearing on the article.

How prisoners at Guantanamo Bay treat their captors is immaterial to the question of whether their civil liberties are being violated. How the guards and the US Government treat their captives is not. Religious freedom, food and medical treatment for prisoners are not courtesies - they are legal requirements.

The story is about this, not your views on the ACLU or who loves America more or how you feel about Memorial Day or the political affiliation of the people who comment here.

You giant gibbering git.

Read "Nixonland" by Rick Perlstein. Republicans win elections by appealing to fear, anger, racism and insecurity. These were Nixon and Reagan's stock-in-trade and they were experts at using them, even in a good times.

Messages of peace, prosperity and plenty don't get the racists reactionaries and sociopaths out to the polls to vote for you.

Although Mr. Rove is quite the renaissance man in these areas of study it is his contributions to the field of douchbaggery that truly stands out.

Read any post on Hot Air about this "story". A bunch of whiny conservatives bitching and moaning because the MSM isn't anti-Democratic enough for them.

Oh, OK then.

Seriously, I'd love to discuss public policy with them, the best manner to advance American interests, issues of concern to everyone but apparently they are so consumed with rage at not being sufficiently coddled and sucked up to that they are left with nothing but impotent rage.

Well, get on the bus or shut the hell up you conservative dummies, your free ride is over. I have no time left for your temper tantrums.

He now wants to save it. Nothing inconsistent there. What, he didn't see Dubya was a buffoon and incompetent in 2004? Hell, I thought you'd have been able to see that from outer space.

For all the "Pickens is wily like a fox" comments the real truth here is that the rich aren't smarter or more sophisticated or more deserving or harder working than the rest of us - they're just richer.

Voted there was no contempt in Rove ignoring their subpoena?

Seriously, how are they able to justify that position in any logical manner?

50% of the American population will apparently believe absolutely anything.

All the evidence suggests that we are doomed.

I could quibble with your list of "believers" (Jefferson?) but regardless the people you cite have/had a widely divergent and rather mutually exclusive views of the god/religion thing. Clearly they can't all be right - but they can all be wrong.

The cartoon is humorous to those of us who can see that the whole Christian sky-monkey idea is absurd and comically funny on it's face. Those who can't see this won't find it funny in the least.

But then some people don't laugh at the Stooges either. No accounting for tastes I guess.

Another worker discovers that the 401(k) was actually created to relieve employers of the burden of funding pensions while giving them a hefty tax break and stuffing billions of dollars into the stock market for business to spend.

Cool trick, eh?

No one gets to "retire" in modern America.

I have no problem with compromises, although at this point in the game we're running about a 10,000 item deficit of compromises and examples of bi-partisanship from the Republicans.

I do have a problem with drilling not only because of the environmental issues but also because this is just another giveaway to the oil companies.

If making record profits isn't enough to get them off the taxpayer's teet, then what is?

"Sometimes people need a 'real world' application to help realize how convoluted their thinking has become"

The Pentagon said the wouldn't release Hamdan even if he were found innocent - they would simply hold him as an enemy combatant.

So your example of a "real world" application of justice is the Soviet model? Is that what you mean by non-convoluted thinking?

There are any number of moral, ethical, logical and acceptable reasons for the range of pregnancy prevention and termination you choose to simplify down to "abortion" to fit your ideology. Sorry, but you don't get to make the rules for the rest of us based simply upon your emotional needs.

Frankly I don't give a fig as to what any Pope has to say on the matter. He's a human being with a political agenda that benefits him by keeping abortion front and center. He has no credibility with me and he shouldn't with anyone else either. Quoting bible verses and papal pronouncements to people who believe in neither is effectively saying "do it my way because I say so". This is hardly an effective argument and one which I easily dismiss out-of-hand.

And as to the poster who said we should engage in meaningful conversation with evangelicals, that's a problem. Because regardless of the sect religious people engage in magical thinking about the operation of the world around them, and I don't. So unless I am able to convince these people we live in a rational world controlled by observable, testable and falsifiable phenomena the only common ground we have is when my rational viewpoint happens to intersect with their emotional one. Where's the "dialog" in this?

Finally, John from Nashville: spot-on.

If they lied about their income they didn't divulge any information.