Confirmed, indeed. I thought s/he crawled out from under his/her rock only when the word Israel appeared in Glenn's column. As evidenced by today's commentary and your tenured position, I stand appropriately corrected.

Just another troll with a self-esteem complex, no?

You people are Greenwald worshipping clowns.

I've cited repeatedly where I think Greenwald does excellent work. I'm not going to keep repeating it.

My issue in this thread is that Greenwald can't just disagree or criticize Obama on this issue. He must take issue with Obama's "followers" or "apologists."

He makes snide cracks that anyone who supports Obama must be a mindless automaton cult-of-personality worshipper following Dear Leader, while only the power of Holy Greenwald can step back and see "objective truth."

It's nothing more than the same gussied up True Believer nonsense we hear from the blowhards on the right. Glenn is becoming the very caricature he used to critique -- a blowhard convinced he's right at all times, raging against anyone who dares criticize him, and surrounded by a small but dedicated group of sycophants hanging on his every word to run out and attack his critics.

Those who defend Obama can make a very legitimate argument, provided you accept a nuance that Greenwald refuses in his us-against-them "rule of law or chaos" Cheneyesque false choice.

I hate this nonsense on the right, and I hate it on the left.

Obama supporters aren't "mindless apologists" just because, four months into his presidency, they won't join Greenwald in ripping him apart with a destructive legalese couching self-deluding narcissism.

Obama made clumsy points yesterday, many of which can and should be pushed on for further details.

But what those on Daily Kos and elsewhere on the left are not willing to do, as Holy Glenn Greenwald commands his flock to do, is to rip Obama apart for not rushing to send Al Qaeda suspects tainted by Cheney's lawlessness into a court system that would likely be forced to release them, without exploring intermediary options.

This is the difference between a President and a dude who used to be a lawyer sitting on his ass in Brazil with a laptop.

Anyone can throw stones from afar.

Obama is making tough decisions. He has earned a tremendous amount of good will, and his rhetoric continues to demonstrate commendable ideals. He's also struggling with a Cheney mess that could set dozens of terorrists free simply by following Glenn Greenwald's "rule of law uber alles" dictate.

Those of us who defend Obama argue to give him more time to figure his way out of this. To find a method to bring the rule of law into seven years of lawlessness.

For this, we are called mindless followers by the Holy Greenwalld for not living up to his dogmatic ideals.

It is bullshit when the wingnuts do it, and it is bullshit here.

Greenwald is not just criticizing Barack Obama. He is smearing and ridiculing those who don't dogmatically attack Barack Obama according to the dictates of Greenwald.

And that's pathetic. Third rate narcissism from a fourth rate egotist, with a tiny band of apologists to carry on his my-way-or-the-highway false binaries.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/05/the_rubicon_of_indefinite_detention.php

Since you love and trust your leader so much, why don't you concentrate on that last sentence, study and recite it like the Gospel, and follow.

And what about your worshipful pack who repeat your edicts ad nauseum, Holy Glenn Greenwald?

Are we allowed to criticize you as well? Or is that only for you to dictate from your temple mount?

Criticism is good, except when it's directed at you, you fraud. In which case it's "lies," "corrupt," "craven" "incoherent," "an attempt to distract," and, of course, "attempts to silence."

He did however, refer to a class of prisoners

who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people... detainees that cannot be transferred... to keep them from carrying out an act of war

He is not asking for a "delay" while he "figures it out." You are arguing in favor of a policy that exists only in your own skull.

You are 100% wrong, PDA, your selective butchering of his speech notwithstanding. Here is an extended quote explaining exactly why he's reserving the right to delay some prisoners from going into immediate trial:

(Obama) said that the his administration would "exhaust every avenue that we have" to prosecute detainees but there would still be some left "who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes" yet remain a threat.

Among these, he said, are prisoners who have expressed allegiance to Osama bin Laden "or otherwise made it clear they want to kill Americans."

"So going forward, my administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime" to handle such detainees "so that our efforts are consistent with our values and our Constitution."

What part of "work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime" don't you understand?

That's his proposal for the remaining detainees who can't be returned home or prosecuted right now. You are 100% wrong. I characterized Obama as buying time to deal with the legal fiasco left him by the Cheney years, and I stand by that assumption. It is legally messy, but only in Glenn Greenwald "rule of law or nothing" binaries is it the wrong decision.

If, in a year or two, Obama is still sitting on prisoners without any attempt at providing some form of legal framework to investigate their crimes, then I will agree with you.

Four months into this administration I understand his decision as the only practical solution after a 7 year mess of botched legal procedures and incompetence.