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Sunday, January 11, 2009 07:27 AM
Original article: Bill Moyers on Israel/Gaza

@ Jonathan

Hang in there, buddy. You're in the fever swamp of the left, a place where the age-old libel stories you normally find with David Duke and Pat Buchanan get dusted off and fired up. Reading some of the ugliness and rage in here reminds me that the next time I slam the racists on right wing talk radio, I should remember that loons are on all sides of the spectrum.

Sunday, January 11, 2009 07:33 AM
Original article: Bill Moyers on Israel/Gaza

@ Qwerty

Your abuse of Holocaust history, like most of the rage-filled "Israelis are teh NAZIS!" rants on this board, is a disgrace. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising targeted soldiers. None of the Jews suffering from German persecution set off bombs in civilian neighborhoods or targeted innocents.

Occupied peoples throughout history face a choice -- rise above the occupier through peace (Gandhi)and passive resistance (Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King), or set off bombs and terrorize civilians, massacring innocents to traumatize your occupier (Palestinians, IRA, Sunnis, etc.).

It's pretty clear that the path to peace for those suffering (and the Palestinians are most certainly suffering) is for a persecuted group to rise up passively and let the strength of their character turn the tide.

Instead, the Palestinians elected Yasser Arafat, who funneled most of the PLO money to his family in France, then set off the Second Intifada. Now they've elected Hamas.

The Palestinians are complicit in their fate. This doesn't excuse Israel for recklessness and slaughter, but it does mitigate the circumstances of the situation, something Glenn loves to ignore with his "Israeli war on Gaza!" headlines of propaganda spin.

Sunday, January 11, 2009 09:01 AM
Original article: Bill Moyers on Israel/Gaza

@ Jebbie

What was the Second Intifada? How many bombs had Israel launched into Gaza or the West Bank prior to the Second Intifada?

Sunday, January 11, 2009 09:16 AM
Original article: Bill Moyers on Israel/Gaza

@ Jebbie

Rabin was assassinated by the far right Israelis who believed any attempt to make peace with the Palestinians would only lead to more mortar fire and suicide bombs into Israel.

At the time, I thought they were insane. I supported the peace process. I supported America's involvement to push Israel to give back land and settle for the two-state solution (something the binary reductive Glenn Greenwald loves to ignore when claiming America is only one-sided in this dispute).

On here I'm called a Zionist Nazi, but I spent much of the 1990s speaking up on behalf of the Palestinian right to a homeland. Rabin was a true peace maker. He shook Arafat's hand despite the blood all over Arafat's terrorist history. It would be like us making peace with Bin Laden.

But Rabin took that risk. And I supported it.

I look back now and I feel like a fool. The Palestinians took their chance and threw it away under a hail of suicide bombings on the streets of Israel. They threw it away by electing Hamas. They took the 2005 withdrawl from the West Bank and allowed tunnels to be built and mortar fire to take place, with no internal response.

Now Hamas are thugs and terrorists, so I'm sure the many good people of Palestine are simply scared to speak up and oppose them. But cultures who give into hate and terrorism pay a price. Palestine will have to reform from within if they want the bombs to stop falling.

It's also the reason that the United States, once a supporter of equal talks with both sides, has moved away from Hamas and towards Israel.

Palestine desperately needs a Gandhi, a Mandela, a Martin Luther King, a Steve Biko, to step up and describe a Palestinian identity that isn't built on a hatred of Israel.

Until that time, we can expect more bloodshed, and it is heartbreaking.

I used to speak up for the Palestinians. Then nail bombs went off on the streets of Israel. Then Hamas was elected into power in Gaza.

At some point, it's hard to keep speaking up for a people that speaks for themselves through mortar fire and suicide bombings.

Monday, January 12, 2009 10:21 PM

@ Glenn

Not to interrupt your "Obama is a Neo-Con" rant, Glenn, but it could have been this, from October of 2007:

Iran's Top Leader: We Will Pursue Nuclear Activities Regardless of Sanctions

TEHRAN — Iran's top leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned on Wednesday that the country will pursue nuclear activities outside international regulations if the U.N. Security Council insists it stop uranium enrichment.

"Until today, what we have done has been in accordance with international regulations," Khamenei said. "But if they take illegal actions, we too can take illegal actions and will do so."

Seriously Glenn, get back on track. 2009 has not been a good year for Unclaimed Territory. Focus on FISA and exposing Chickenhawk pundit hypocrisy, which is where you shine. Your Israel and "Obama has a cult" nonsense just makes you sound goofy. You're becoming a shrill, hysterical cartoon of what you once were. Not every will live up to the perfect Glenn Greenwald Standard (tm) of dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional thought clarity.

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