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Friday, January 9, 2009 01:39 PM

@ omooex

The right uses every propaganda tool at its disposal, depending on the argument. They claim to be the great defender of Israel when it means getting to kill Arabs, then they turn around and cry about the "war on Christmas" held by the secularists in the big cities (coded: Jews) who refuse to acknowledge America is a "Christian nation."

That's why I don't particularly care what someone like John Bolton says on any specific issue -- they are frauds on every level. The Iraq War apologists should never be allowed to opine in public again. The fact David Broder still has a job is a disgrace. The idea that Bill Kristol isn't shouting from a crate on a street corner means our entire entertainment-media empire is broken. Glenn's critique of this broken system is why I generally hold him in such high regard.

That being said, there is rampant anti-Semitism on the left, much of it from the notion that Jews are the one minority in a position of hegemony or cultural dominance. Sadly, this ties into the age old myths of Jewish money fostered in Europe for hundreds of years by Christians hoping to prevent the proles from rioting/revolting by giving them "The Jew" as their enemy (thus the Goldstein hate in 1984).

Where the left goes wrong, and where Glenn becomes this wilfully disingenuous Bush-like code talker, is on the issue of Israel. Israel allows the age-old Jewish narratives to take root, where they explode under cover of "legitimate criticism." Glenn claims his critics claim *all* criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but this is just like saying *no* crtiticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. Even more crucially, claiming your opponent's critique of you conflates to *all* is the very some=all leap that Glenn claims his opponents are making.

Glenn claims his critics claim *all* criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. But by making this claim, Glenn conflates the specific with the general. Glenn now speaks for *all*. The singular becomes the general. By expanding the specific to an all/nothing binary, Glenn conflates his own argument into the 0%/100% binary he claims to be opposing.

This is what I meant by Glenn's double standard, and why 0% and 100% are two sides of the same coin. Glenn attacks his critics by invoking the very either/or binary he claims they apply on him. By reducing a specific critique (when Glenn's opponent says X is mmotivated by Z, not Y), Glenn makes X = any letter in the alphabet.

The reason the logic system breaks down is Glenn requires a textual-only, linguistic based understanding for those he agrees with -- Glenn's motivations are what he says his motivations are -- but his critics are using codes and should be critiqued semiotically and psychoanalytically -- their motivations are emotional, biased and subjective.

This is logical incoherency.

Friday, January 9, 2009 01:44 PM

@ Derbig Mooser

The Two Minutes of Hate against Israel can be seen across much of the world. Do some research. Or just tune into the United Nations some time. Or you could watch the Protocols of Zion on Egyptian T.V:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E1DE1F3CF935A15753C1A9649C8B63

Or read all about it when Henry Ford was nice enough to lobby the United States to shut down Ellis Island from the Jews in the 1920s:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/intern_jew.htm

But I know, reading this board I've been enlightened to learn that anti-Semitism is simply a tool of Jewish profiteering.

Friday, January 9, 2009 02:03 PM

anti-Semitism

This:

and remembered something I noticed before from Zionists, regarding their behavior and viewpoints, as reflected in their arguments.

They are essentially part sociopath and part narcissist. They don't believe the rules of international law apply to their tribe. They don't believe their tribe should be criticized for ethnic cleansing, though they're quick to criticize others for having previously done it to them. They demand a free pass, and feel a certain entitlement to it.

They can do no wrong. They view anyone who criticizes their ideology, or Israel's actions in the worst possible terms. They see these people as the enemy - as blatant 'anti-semites'. And they relentlessly try to crush them politically, professionally, and in any way they can. They slander them, label them, petition their employers, and pull every string available to them.

The Palestinian perspective is irrelevant - it's all about the Zionists and their tribe, and their selective historical perspective. They see their propaganda, lies, distortions, rhetorical labels, as just a means to their ends. They get caught in lies, fallacies of logic, etc .. and they don't care, they just dust themselves off, and continue spewing more of the same.

Ugly.

Friday, January 9, 2009 02:27 PM

@ omooex

How do you define "Zionism"?

Zionism refers to a belief beginning in the 1890s that the Jews should form a homeland in Israel. Israel has existed for 60 years. Questioning Zionism at this point is like questioning the Whig Party.

The issue is over. Israel exists.

If you claim Israel should be disbanded and the 7 million Israelis resettled to other countries, there is little for us to talk about.

Criticism of Israel is clearly not always anti-Semitic. I have many criticisms of Israel. I think this Gaza attack was botched and beyond what could reasonably constitute an appropriate response to the Gaza shelling. But I would like to know more facts (and hope journalists are let in soon).

However critics of Israel who claim they aren't anti-Semitic aren't necessarily not anti-Semitic. People looked for reasons to de-legitimize and hate Jews long before Theodr Herzl was born.

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