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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 04:20 PM

@ omooex

If, as you say, it's all about Israel, and that's the only reason we don't want Iran to go Nuclear, why the hell should we care if North Korea went nuclear?

This constant emphasizing of Israel occurs in two places.

1. Among delusional NeoCons who are looking for any angle to gin up support for another war (thus, Podhoretz's whine about American Jews not supporting his Crusade)

2. In swamplands like here, which I wouldn't even call on the left, since it has far more in common with David Duke and Pat Buchanan, as well as jewwatch.com.

Everyone else, aka the vast majority of the world, is focused on denying Iran the Bomb because Iran is run by a bunch of retrograde hyper-religious nutjobs who repress and abuse their own people.

A nuclear Iran is an awful thing to consider, not because they would necessarily start nuking people, but because that threat is an enormous danger in and of itself.

Obama gets this. Nearly all liberal bloggers get this. Democrats in congress get this. Arianna Huffington gets this.

Only Mr. Greenwald wants to parse gasoline imports to feed his predetermined conclusion that there is no hard "evidence" this is a plan to build a nuclear bomb.

The similarities to the Iraq War are nil. There is no broad administration push for war, here. No year long campaign to smear Iran. Just one single revelation and the highly troubling questions it raises.

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 04:12 PM

@drdave39

I'll make it simple- you have a psychotic-level fixation of some paranoid delusion relating Glenn Greenwald to destroying Isreal. You are a sick man. Get help. Or FOAD. I'm beyond caring which. But kept your crap off of here. Glenn, consider this a formal request to block WinSmith from UT.

I'll make it even simpler: Until you can spell "Israel" correctly, you can't talk about it.

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 04:04 PM

@ Senkster

As far as I can tell, the Iranian crime is to threaten Israeli and U.S. hegemony.

Anyone have any other thoughts?

Yes. Google "Hezbollah." Hezbollah does not threaten "hegemony." It threatens human beings. It has killed hundreds of Americans in 1983, in case you've forgotten:

Hezbollah's designation as a terrorist group comes from its placement on the U.S. State Department list in the 1980s. In 1983, Hezbollah attacked a U.S. marine barracks in Beirut, killing over 250 Americans, and in 1984 it attacked the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon, and they were likely involved in kidnapping Westerners in Lebanon in the 1980s. The main thrust of Hezbollah's activity, however, is historically local, and aimed at the Israeli presence in southern Lebanon, and over disputed territory under Israeli control that Hezbollah (and Lebanon) consider to be Lebanese.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/iran/p/Iran2.htm

Not that you'd ever hear Glenn Greenwald say peep about Iran's connections to terrorism, but the state has long sponsored some of the vilest global terrorists in the world.

This is not about Israel. A nuclear Iran is a threat to world peace, and a threat to destabilizing the Middle East. Everyone with half a brain can see this.

Only the heroic Glenn Greenwald is going to argue for the potential that the Iranians simply wanted to build a civilian nuclear power plant to cut gasoline costs.

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:37 AM

@ JonathanInTelAviv

Yeah, you know, when you get right down to it, Glenn is just another pathetic conspiracy theorist.

When Obama (and others) came down on Bibi like a ton of bricks about the settlements, completely blowing up the all-powerful-Israel-lobby conspiracy theory, Glenn didn't even feel the need to explain, much less apologize.

No, he offered some lame mea culpa in March, in a post where he wrote about being impressed that voices critical of Israel were showing up on cable news and in newspapers. In December, he was convinced no one was "allowed" to speak out about the Hamas bombings in Gaza.

Then, when the magnitude of the dead bodies in Gaza became apparent, and Israel's justifiable reaction to Hamas turned out to be hard to justify in its scope, voices rose up to criticize the military response, and rightly so.

But then someone like Arianna Huffington dares to speak out in defense of Israel, and the same conspiracy theorists pop up about how she was "bought" or is corrupt or whatnot.

The idea that no one can speak out against Israel is a premise of the delusional paranoid, convinced there are hidden "Kabal" forces behind every door ready to shut them down for "speaking the truth."

But this is the same premise that drives Fox News.

1. Forces are at work controlling the discourse and the minds of the populace

2. Speaking out against these vaguely defined forces is dangerous, heroic, and ultimately a revolutionary act.

3. "Attempts to silence" are found in everyone who disagrees

It's paranoia mixed with persecution complex, be it on the left or the right.

Meanwhile, America has criticized Israel in the past and will do so again. America's push in the 1990s to legitimize the PLO forced Rabin to shake Arafat's hand. Again, all this is lost when the paranoid persecution victim is ranting away about "hidden power."

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