That conservative guy has ulterior motives. It's obviously Bob Dobbs, without the pipe. Who knows... maybe the Church of the Subgenius is behind the Neocons in an effort to discredit such thinking once and for all!

"Don't just eat a hamburger, eat the HELL out of it!"

Hardly.

Tim, what the hell are you talking about?

Lieberman has, from the beginning of his career, spearheaded by William F. Buckley, capitulated to the right wing and religious conservatives.

Gore's picking him for VP showed the disconnect between the party mainstream and the DLC and I believe it made, in the end, the difference that lost Gore the 2000 election.

Its time for Lieberman and the rest of the DINOs to be removed. Maybe the democrats will lose seats in the short term, but it will be very healthy in the long run to rid ourselves of these pretenders and panderers.

Shed no tears for Joe and shed no tears for the Dems.

-Gaz

Sad. Time to re-read the Declaration of Independence.

Firstly, its ridiculous to use the 5th in this case. The 5th is not supposed to be used because you don't "trust" the court (or congress) with truthful testimony and are afraid it may be twisted. The 5th ammendment protects citizens from having to testify to their own crimes, not from having to testify in an "unfriendly" atmosphere.

But the main point is that they should just simply grant her immunity and subpoena her. Straight up, no arguments, put her on the stand and find out what happened.

I am surprised at the response to this. This outcome has been known since the Dems took control. What did people expect?

Did anyone expect Bush to experience some some sort of epiphany and suddenly supplicate himself before people he considers weak and traitorous? I think we all know he is far too small of a man to admit he has ever been wrong and anyone who expects it even in the face of massive unpopularity is simply naive.

And that leaves only one option, but did anyone really think the dems would commit political suicide by cutting off funding for the war? Regardless of the current unpopularity of the war, anyone with a grasp on American politics knows that this would be painted in the absolute worst light possible - forcing the democrats to 'own' the chaos that would ensue. Yes - chaos. Pure fucking bloody chaos - almost but not exactly unlike the current situation - but this time it will be "because the democrats cut the funds".

We do not need a Democratic party that is just simply going to martyr itself and hand control back to the people who started this mess. Its time for everyone to understand... Iraq may be Bush's mess, but Bush is not going to fix it or pull out, the democrats cannot force him to pull out, because its simply (and I brook no argument here) POLITICAL SUICIDE to do so.

The best thing we can do is force Bush to own his war. Nothing is going to save the Iraqis and damn near nothing is gonna stop Bush from playing with his army men.

Really. Its like you people just started paying attention yesterday. The straight dope here: The democrats COULD NOT WIN THIS. Period. It would have been political suicide to cut the funds. Bitch all you want, but I'm just happy they are avoiding self-immolation.

See my previous post about this...

Yes. It would be political suicide to cut the funds. The action would be painted in the worst possible terms by the press and the GOP - regardless of the general unpopularity of the war. The chaos that would ensue would be owned by the democrats and Bush would be able to wash his hands of the whole affair, blaming the democrats for "losing the war". Anyone who doubts that this would happen and be used by war boosters to defeat moderate democrats is simply naive.

"Steve Jobs, who produced the first computer ordinary people could use[...]"

I can only laugh at that statement. Unless you think "ordinary people" could afford a $2000 Apple II in 1982 and completely discount the far more affordable (and color) Commodore 64s, Vic 20, Timex Sinclairs, TRS-80s, etc., your statment is simply laughable. Apple has ALWAYS been out of reach of the masses and in fact would be out of business now if they had not targeted college students (who took out loans to buy em) in the 90s.

And to this day, iPods, the yuppy status symbols of the millenium are overpriced just like everything else Apple has ever created.

$500 phone? Kiss my Ass. At&T only? Kiss it again.

"Apple's apps cater to everyday folks level of creativity and fun. Windows caters to the business world primarily. That's no fun."

Funny how when apple boosters talk about how much more fun macs are they conveniently forget about one huge issue:

Games. Macs, even when companies bother to make games for em, suck for games.

Apparenly most mac users consider video editing more fun than Battlefield 2.

A couple of weeks ago, I was discussing the idea of computer-controlled cars with a friend and suddenly realized what it would do for local funding and law enforcement. No traffic tickets. Very little excuse to pull anyone over, so no lucky drug busts, no "driving while black", and of course no DUIS.

It really made me wonder whether the authorities would support the idea, even if it was a massive benefit to society as a whole.

Thanks, Salon. Opus rules.

...this is truthiness in action!

Hail Eris!

And her campaign tactics show Hillary is nothing but Karl Rove in heels.

... and tear up on national television because everyone is being mean to him. Ya think that'd work?

Seems like proportional representation is one of the few things that actually make sense in the democratic nomination process.

Jetsons: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b

Perfect!