I've seen women "flash" intentionally on more than one occasion myself. Exhibitionists can be men or women.

I was at a nightclub and saw a group of guys watching a girl flash her chest...and trust me, not all the men watching were "hot". She was performing and appeared to be enjoying the attention.

I saw a girl lift her dress and flash a local band her frontside. She continued to do this and the amount of band members on stage kept growing.

I was on a water taxi one time and saw a woman flashing up her skirt, I don't know who she was trying to show, maybe her husband was around and she was teasing him, I have no clue what she was up to, but I glanced away when I saw what she was doing.

That being said, idiots that upskirt unsuspecting women are perverts.

p.s. ashepe, my guess is that the shaming that women do to the poor men wearing leotards on the street that brighstar is refering to would be laughter and giggles... I'm sure that no men would tease the guys in leotards, just evil, sniggering girls.

It's funny. I used to work with a woman at a utility company. She and her husband treated themsleves and went out for a rare night of dancing at a local night club.

The following week the local news station was running a show about STD's and the club scene. In the promo there she is smiling and dancing, she hadn't even noticed anyone filming there.

They didn't have to make it a porno for her to be mortified, though I think all that knew her knew what happened.

My husband once was at the beach with his daughters around Christmas. There was a man following our 16 year old daughter around with a video camera. My husband asked him to stop, but the guy kept filming her, said it was a free country. My husband eventually took the film by force, the guy complained and the lifeguard that eventually came, backed up my husband (he has a strong personality, I don't think the law was on his side).

My stepdaughter wasn't in a bikini, she was wearing jeans, a sweatshirt & a jacket, it was cold. But you know what, it doesn't matter what she was wearing, it was invasive.

I saw an interview of a person at a nude beach say something similar. He said if was was just sitting in his workclothes eating a sandwich, he wouldn't want some freak with a telephoto lens taking pictures of him, the nudity portion was incidental.

@IaintBacchus, Would we be blinded because you are so white that we would think someone is welding up your kilt? Just wondering.

@Brightstar, Whatever is hidden becomes sexualized, thus in the old days a glimpse of ankle was titillating. Loose fitting pants on women used to be considered risque because they showed the outline of your legs and a skirt hid that. You will just have to deal with the fact that you will be subjected to glimpses of cleavage and thighs and deal with it.

Mona was talking about a typical theoretical question, not one Mona made up, and one that strikes to the heart, since Mona lost a child.

I remember similar in an ethics class I took in college. One that bothered me at the time was "should people be involuntarily institutionalized?".

I found that I was quite a bit more libertarian than anyone else in my class. I didn't like the idea of locking people up because they might cause someone else harm. I was the extreme. The others were horrified by my views, I was kind of shocked by theirs. I didn't realize how out of the mainstream I was in my thinking, and since I was young, it bothered me.

I disagree with Mona's opinion, but that's what it is.

I've read some bioethicist's positions that bothered me more.

Thanks for the corrected spelling. It helped me confirm the losses suffered to Adelson.

As of the end of October, he's lost over 16 billion dollars...that's billion with a "b".

He might not be able to throw as much money to his favorite causes anymore.

http://www.tinnong24h.com/Business/Economy/story?id=6121043&page=1

I've spent quite a bit of time at City of Hope with my husband during his stem cell transplant, I've seen parents walking their babies that are ill.

I cannot imagine thinking that if I found a healthy infant immune to cancer and all other diseases, that I would find it acceptable to dissect it to discover what made it special, let alone cause it pain.

Not even if it would give me the cure to my husband's illness.

My guess is the fact that Sheldon Adelman lost billions in October and the fact that the Dems look like they might be around for awhile is making him less likely to want to fund the Freedom Watch ads.

Sheldon Adelman probably realizes he has to play with the new team. Kind of like T. Boone Pickens...former hard RW'er who all of a sudden is green.

Baby's are born with both karma and original sin. They are not innocent.

I know a number of people that actually believe this.

I completely reject that philosophy.

It could have been newly turned teenage vamp whose too uncontrolable even for Eric.

It also could have been MaryAnne and/or her creepy pig.

It also could have been the creepy political/religious client who wants a little LaFayeete when he isnt't railing against evil.

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MaryAnne has to be the devil herself, after watching her being weird in the field, you got to see the serial killer in the truck singing "She's the Devil in Disguise" at the top of his lungs. Come on.

Though why MaryAnne's after Sam (who I agree is a better catch than Bill) I don't know.